Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Christians Declaring Bankruptcy


Should Christians be declaring bankruptcy?  I do not believe they should.  Psalm 37:21 says, The wicked borrow and do not repay, but the righteous give generously.  The Bible also says, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. (Romans 13:8)

The reason there is so much bankruptcy today is because people want what they want when they want. They no longer want to save up their money and wait patiently until they have enough to buy something. They just whip out their credit card and buy what they want.

Then when they can no longer pay their bills, they declare bankruptcy and expect others to pay off their debt. This is not the way Christians should be living. We should be living within our means and only buying what we can afford.

I was raised to always live below what you earn so you can save. We have always lived that way. We bought everything with cash except our homes which we paid off as soon as we could. The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender. (Proverbs 22:7) I don't want to be a slave to anyone if I can help it!

Laine was one of my first mentors.  Her husband never made over $30,000 a year yet they have paid off their home in San Diego.  She was a full-time mother with five children and never worked outside of her home but she sure works hard inside of it.

Here are her thoughts on bankruptcy ~

Bankruptcy. It is a word now that Christians are not ashamed to utter. Along with non-Christians we have bought into this world's lies that we must have what we want when we want it at another's expense. No restraint whatsoever. Even though we may not believe that when we are charging and borrowing, it is so when we no longer consider paying it back. Years ago our great grandparents would have never considered bankruptcy. They would rather have sold everything they had than to bring this word on their good name.

Today we have Christians declaring bankruptcy while their children are still involved in organized sports, or while they take vacations, or while they have private music lessons, or while they send their children to camp or private schools, or while they continue to eat out, or while they take their clothing to the cleaners, or while they continue to buy what they think they need, or while they pay to have their cars washed, or while they buy whatever they desire at the grocery store, or while they make many long distant phone calls, or while they operate two vehicles, and/or while they keep everything they "own" without a thought of paying back the debt it took to get it into their house.

Teach your children to be content with what they have and to live below their means.  For godliness with contentment is great gain. (I Timothy 6:6)

A very good book to learn to live within your means is
The Complete Tightwad Gazette.


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It is so sad. My husband and I made a lot of financial mistakes early on for that reason...to have what we want when we wanted. We didn't really go crazy but we did use credit and then we both lost our jobs....ouch! It was so unpleasant all the phone calls and digging ourselves out because we wanted to buy a home and couldn't. A very costly and hurtful lesson for sure. After 11 years we were able to buy our house in 1996 and paid it off in 9 years and 3 months. We didn't buy homes like our friends bought...ours was smaller which means a lot of things...less furniture to buy and smaller utility bills to boot. We have saved and paid cash to remodel. This took a lot of patience on my behalf but I think God has honored our choices and frugality. We drive nice cars that we pay cash for and own our home which is a huge blessing in these uncertain financial times. In the end our creditors were willing to work with us and help us avoid bankruptcy. You would be surprised how many suggested why don't we just file bankruptcy and be done with it. We could move on without paying and they could cross it off their books. Crazy isn't it? I try to encourage my friends to explore the joy of being debt free. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't.
1 reply · active 643 weeks ago
I am really glad I found this post, it has helped me. Thank you. Tara.
I believe that bankruptcy is usually due to irresponsibility.
However, I understand that many bankruptcies are due to extremely
high medical/hospital bills that there would be no way that could be
repaid. In my opinion, it's just not right for a family's financial
future to be ruined because of outrageous medical costs. This is
the main reason that I actually support the idea of universal health care
coverage for all.
9 replies · active 643 weeks ago
Such a good post! I think this post is especially good because at Christmas, many people go into debt just to buy extravagant Christmas gifts, which is definitely what Christmas is all about. Overall, I think people need to learn to live within their means, even if it means sacrificing some things.
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Victoria Wojtowicz · 643 weeks ago

Lori, I love your blog so much. I really think you need to be more graceful in dealing with the topic of medical bills and debt though. I agree, being a student of nutrition, that some medical problems are our fault. However, there is grace for all. If people get sick and learn a little too late about living correctly there is forgiveness and grace for that. I am in my early thirties and had heart surgery last year among many other problems (not from eating). My husband and I learned lots in a Christian financial class about debt and paying it back. However, as we were trying to get out of debt these medical bills came up and I was forced to not work. We were in trouble. We have been trying to pay and make deals with our creditors. However, they will not take a little by little approach. I went to a Christian financial firm. The man there told me that bankruptcy was made for people in our situation. Credit card companies will sue you. They are harsh. Maybe they have a right too. Although I really think that they prey on the ignorant and the troubled with their hidden fees and interest bait and switch. Bankruptcy doesn't wipe everything clean. You do pay a certain percentage back. My husband and I feel really bad and guilty and don't want to claim bankruptcy. We have been praying and are trying to find another way with a lawyer. We also continue to learn what the bible says. I just think that there is no condemnation in Jesus. I really believe that there is grace and mercy and forgiveness for everyone. God is in the business of forgiving debt. I just think that there should be a little more help for people with true emergencies. Here is an interesting scripture to consider when looking at the heart of the Lord...Deuteronomy 15:1-2 "At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made to his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow Israelite or brother, because the Lord's time for canceling debts has been proclaimed." Again Lori, you have been such a great source of mentorship for me. I do agree with the spirit of what you are writing here.
1 reply · active 637 weeks ago
I agree in that Christians should never spend beyond their means. We have never borrowed money outside of business ventures, except for a personal vehicle. We did however very nearly end up bankrupt with the combination of dishonest employees and the economic downturn. We were able to negotiate a repayment plan over a few years. A number of companies that owed us went bankrupt. I can see how in a situation like that some Christians would choose to bankrupt as well. There is a limit to the number of reverses any company can take.
This post caught my eye!
I drive an 8 year old car that is paid for and my husband and I don't have credit cards.
You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would?) how many weird looks we get when people find out that we don't have credit cards.

"What happens in an emergency?" is usually their question.
I am polite when I answer and I try not to shove my convictions down their throat, but in my grandparents' day they had emergencies and they didn't need credit cards.
That's what they had savings for.

Getting my title in the mail after paying off my car was the biggest thrill I've ever had.
At that moment I finally understood what Proverbs 22:7 meant.
I didn't know slavery until I tasted freedom!

And to anyone who says it can't be done: I paid off my car 6 months early while making less than $20,00 a year.
I have to respectfully agree with Victoria in that the comments to Tommie regarding medical bills are sounding a bit too judgmental. I agree that the healthcare policies in our nation are outrageous. But unless something changes nationally, we, as indviduals, we're stuck with the system that we have. Even for those who prefer natural remedies - those don't work in catastropic situations. You can't perform surgury on yourself after a car accident, for example. In situations like that, you're stuck in a system that will bleed you dry - - which, for many, means medical bills that they may have no hope of paying off.

I also want to humbly point out that not everyone with a lot of debt is in that boat because of reckless, greedy spending. This economy that we're in has resulted in plenty of hard-working, responsible people losing their jobs, being unable to find work and then being unable to afford even the basics like housing, food, and medical care. I don't believe folks in this situation are being un-Christian for filing bankruptcy or using food stamps or state funded health insurance if that is their only way to begin to recover.
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Cynthia Swenson · 643 weeks ago

Why do you spell God G-d? Just curious, as I've seen it elsewhere but don't know why. Wow, interesting comments here! I was blessed to have a very financially frugal Mother & her example helped me but I also picked up some of her bad habits, (smoking,etc.) I know we must accept responsibility for our own actions, but on the other hand, giving grace can be fostered by wisdom & understanding & humility. I know people will struggle as I struggled against sin ( still do!) all their lives. I really appreciate Lori's advice & I don't think she has a judgemental spirit at all. I think she tells the TRUTH which we must receive. I think Lori speaks the truth in love. It's just the truth must be delivered with admonition much of the time ( addressing our sin in the matter!). As Christians, God will teach us that admonition is good & that it is NOT judging. But even that takes time & love! He LOVES us so much! Blessings, in Jesus, Cynthia P.S. Thank you Jesus I was eventually able to quit smoking!
3 replies · active 637 weeks ago
Hi Victoria!

I think it is important to understand the difference between speaking the truth, and having grace for individual circumstances. Lori's prophetic voice (truth telling, not foretelling), gets to the heart of many issues and what God's best is for the believer. As you and I know, we do not always live out God's and there are times that the circumstances of life do challenge us, yet God;s ideals remain true.... BUT for the individual, even if it was us who messed up... there is always GRACE.

Grace is for individuals who need the exception to God's perfect will and there is plenty for all who will receive it from God, from fellow believers and from Lori :). But it still never changes God's Word nor His ideals. To speak about a hundred exceptions every time one writes is not possible, yet we all understand that there are exceptions to every rule and your circumstances surely sound like the exception.

May God's grace and his hand of great provision be shown to you and your family even this week :). You are in our prayers and we know what illness can do to wreak havoc on a family.
Hi HomeINsteader !

See my comment below to Victoria. There is no law in speaking the truth and outlining God's clear ideals from the scriptures. Our Christian world is filled with many who want exception after exception until God's Word becomes a a "pick and choose" exercise with "grace" wiping away any of God's ideals.

God's clear intent is that we would know His Word and walk by His ideals. He provides grace for the exceptions as the blood of Jesus covers all believers head to toe... BUT to not walk in His ways does create much heartache, pain and losing out on much joy.

If believers are no longer willing to stand up for God's ideals, who will do so? Are there no prophets or preachers or teachers left who will speak God's Word exactly as it is written ... without exception?

There are many places one can run to find a "love covers all" message, but few will "speak the truth in love" not to demean anyone, but rather to train those who have yet to stumble and fall in some very important areas of life.

Your point of ignorance is well taken... and precisely why a message on money management and how we deal with money and debt is a timely issue in today's economy. Christians are called to be different... and that includes how we handle our money and pay our debts. There is no legalism or law in God's ideals... just his best for His children. When we "miss the mark" God's grace abounds and is complete, yet it still often leaves us with the earthly consequences.

It's not easy to do things God's way many times, but Jesus kind of told us that would be the case... as we take up our cross and follow him :).
This just seems like another case of Christians speaking Gods word, and being critiqued because we are not compassionate enough, how we stand is The Bible are Gods instruction for all of our lives, and it is not the easiest road to follow, but it is the only one that will bring you true peace. Thank you Lori and Ken for being so steadfast in your convictions, as is the truth there is no gray area. With God it is black or white. As a nation we can not keep twisting and changing the guidelines God has so perfectly laid out for ALL of us to follow. Thank you again, you both show such strength
I just cannot help but comment here. My husband and I have always strived to live within our means. We've always bought used cars (used everything, in fact) and are extremely thrifty. However, when the housing market crashed, my husband's concrete pumping business also crashed. The business loan was tied into our home, and honestly, even Dave Ramsey would agree that we had no choice but to file for bankruptcy. It was extremely difficult, but was also a blessing for our family who needed to start afresh. We had a Christian bankruptcy lawyer who encouraged us, saying with a Bible verse, Deuteronomy 15:1, "At the end of every seventh year you must cancel the debts of everyone who owes you money." Honestly, it brought my husband and I out of the depths of despair. I think that you need to rethink your cruel remarks and remember that sometimes, the answers aren't so easy, and sometimes, it's not due to bad decisions, but simply circumstances.
I don't know the bible half as well as any of you. That said I can read. The one passage quoted in a couple of letters above that folks are using in defense of declaring bankruptcy..."At the end of every seventh year you must cancel the debts of everyone who OWES you money." It DOES NOT say everyone YOU OWE money to!__
2 replies · active 529 weeks ago
Hi, Lori
Nice Information Lori Lots of people take Advantage of bankruptcy, but few people really need bankruptcy. I saw lots both cases in court who has need of bankruptcy and who has not need of bankruptcy.
Hi - found your article on the Thrifty Thursday linkup. I just wanted to add my comments because I work for a bankruptcy attorney and see many people in this situation and can give a little different perspective.

One common scenario I have seen is a sole proprietor of a self-employment business who has just hung on too long hoping things would turn around. I have also seen people who had one unexpected medical crisis that has left them flooded with tens of thousands of dollars owing. So yes, it always comes down to more money needs to go out for payments than is coming in, but it's not always because of a willful and reckless abandon for more luxuries in life. It's a painful decision for people to make, especially when it means admitting your business has failed.

I have come to look at bankruptcy as a form of grace. Do they deserve to have their debt wiped out? No. Could they have made different and better decisions? Many times, Yes. But sometimes we just need grace, a fresh start, a year of jubilee, and the gift of something we don't deserve.

And remember too that there is means testing in bankruptcy now. It's not just an easy peasy matter of everyone getting their debt completely wiped out. If there is a decent income being made, the debtors must do a chapter 13 and pay something back on their debts. Some debtors in bankruptcy pay back 100% of their debt! It's just done under the protection of the court so they can have some extra time and are not harassed by creditors while they are doing it.
Great post.

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