Monday, March 26, 2012

Menopause Is No Excuse!


Here is a comment from a man on the topic of sex after menopause ~

I am a 55 year old male. My wife and I have been married for six years. We are Christians. My wife had not been married before we met and, or course, having been raised in a solid Christian home and committed her life to Christ as a child she had lived a celibate life all those years. I was married for twenty years and lost my wife about ten years before we married.

We have a wonderful relationship but about two years into the marriage she went through menopause. All physical contact stopped, with the exception of a hello or goodbye kiss and hug when one of us is going somewhere. She feels dead from the neck down.

We have not had any intimacy of any kind in three years. I was asked when it happened, after struggling to just be intimate every few months, to no longer talking about it or even asking her. She said she just wasn’t interested, that she still loved me, but that sex was no longer of interest and she didn’t want to talk about it anymore because nothing was changing.

I have sought medical guidance from some of the top specialists in the nation and all of them say the same thing; that this is what often happens and there is nothing that can be done. Their suggestion (from three major specialists at major medical schools in different parts of the nation) is that I just need to learn to accept it and take lots of cold showers. And boy, we’ve all run out of hot water at times, well I think our home must be about to run out of cold water!

I’ve also sought pastoral guidance from a number of trusted sources and they agree that nothing really can be done unless she is willing. They do, of course, remind me that it is a sin to withhold affection from your spouse but also understand that you can’t force someone to do something they don’t want to do.

This has been very hard for me. My frustration has been great and I am to a point where I can hardly get through a day without severe struggles with my thoughts. And, it has surprised me how angry I often feel when she does nothing to bring that out in me.

After brain surgery when I was 45 years old, I was pushed into early menopause. Sure, there are some struggles in the sexual arena during menopause, but that doesn't give us a reason to stop!  There is something called lubrication, serving others, and obeying the Lord's commands to us, whether we feel like it or not.

I wanted to know from this man if his wife has an older woman in her life that can confront her in her sin. She is NOT loving her husband. She is not serving him and pleasing him. She is only thinking about herself and what she wants and how she feels which leads down the path to destruction.

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence {SEX}: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife has not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband has not power of his own body, but the wife.  Defraud ye not one the other.
I Corinthians 7:2-7


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If sex hurts physically, women should not have sex until they see a doctor! It is probably vaginal dryness, which can be remedied with a good lube. If she is just not interested in sex, she should also consult a doctor, as she may need HRT. If after, those steps have been taken, a certified sex therapist may be a good resource.
6 replies · active 428 weeks ago
She is on HRT. She is just not interested anymore and refuses to talk about it or seek any help.
In that case, this man is in serious trouble. I wish him and his wife the best.
Actually it is the woman who is in serious trouble. God can take the man and use this trial in his life to make him more like Christ, but for the woman I fear that she may not be saved if she is living in such willful disobedience to the Word, and if she is saved, she is in for some severe discipline from the Lord, which may already be happening in her life.

We are seeing what others have also seen, that women living in rebellion tend to go into severe depression and emotional and mental issues. One might try to argue "which is the cart and which is the horse," but often the trace back finds the rebellion comes first.
Ken I have a question for you, as you are a man. I just turned 50 this year and my husband is 67. I am going through perimenopause, but still would love to be intimate with my husband. My husband starting having issues that would require use of the "blue" pilll about 6 or 7 years ago. He refuses to even try a prescription to help. It has now been almost 4 years for us without intimacy. I know he's embarrassed, but we've been together 30 years and I would never shame him. I've told him many times there is no reason to be embarrassed with me, but it doesn't help. He won't even discuss the situation any longer. I'm hurt because I feel so neglected ~ I still have life in me. I just don't know if it's worth it to bring it up again. Thanks ~
I don't really get why your husband would shy away or pull away from intimacy just because he cannot "do it." Age is coming to all of us who are fortunate enough not to have health issues take us to heaven much younger. So learning to live with impotence will not be a fun thing, but it should not destroy intimacy, especially if one's goal for intimacy is to please one's life long partner.

That said, all you can do is keep trying to talk to him without nagging or badgering, about your needs. I believe that humans have so very few real needs in life, but intimacy does qualify as one of those, even as many live without it. And it is for that reason that the apostle Paul commands us not to withhold it from our spouse.

Have you tried being very specific as to what you would enjoy doing with him recognizing his limitations. I might request a "date night" once or twice a month where the two of you go out, enjoy the evening and agree to a time of intimacy afterward, wherever that may lead. One evening you get to design what that looks like and the next he does. The goal is joyful connections as part of your one flesh marriage.

Just like women can have emotional/psychological and physical objections to sex, yet, cannot object to what God has clearly asked of them, so too, the Believer must "do thy duty" if that is what it comes to, to meet the intimacy needs of their spouse. Challenge him with the Word on this matter and try to explore what is in his thinking that is keeping him from being able to devote two half hours a month or more to intimacy.

I don't know if you do devotions together, but our greatest times of intimacy often come from cuddling after our devotional time in bed each morning. After reading Spurgeon, then a chapter the Bible, then prayers, we cuddle, laugh and talk. We find every morning to be a time of intimacy, with or without sex.

I am always concerned when I hear a man is not pursuing a sexual relationship that he may be into porn. Obviously, at 67 this is less likely than at 27, but still a concern because it can create guilt issues that keep a spouse away from intimacy in marriage. Even as the desire for sex wanes, the desire to see the female body sticks with most men. Being willing to love and accept a spouse enough to explore and forgive a man's greatest battle can help unlock healthy intimacy in marriages. And finding forgiveness for any past issues that may be holding the spouses a part can be the key to intimacy long into one's 80's... even if the intimacy stops at cuddling and laughter.

Our best to you as the Lord leads you to once again explore this with your husband. I might gently plant the idea in his mind that if the tables were turned, and you were not physically comfortable having regular normal sex, would he not want you to lovingly help meet his needs for intimacy in other ways?
I just realized I commented about this very issue with the original post. I would still love to hear your prospective. We are believers ~ thank you
I am not yet at that stage of life, but this is a good reminder when i do reach it, so thankyou for making us women yet to reach menopause about some of the issues.

This story made me feel so sad and I pray that this couple find an answer before it tears them apart.
What a sad situation for this couple. I can relate, but on the opposite side. I completely agree with it being sin when sex is withheld. My husband and I have been married for 24 years and he is almost 18 years older than I. I am in my mid 40s and he is in his 60s. He has been having performance issues for a few years and will not seek any medical help. He does not want to take the blue pill (I respect that), but he just ignores the situation. This month it has been one year since any intimacy. I just feel that he doesn't care about my needs. I don't care if it doesn't work out in the end, just that there was an effort. I know it embarasses him, but he just won't even try and ignores me bringing it up. God gave us an unexpected blessing 3 1/2 years ago and I know having a toddler doesn't help the situation. Am I being selfish? Am I supposed to submit to this? I just don't know what to do. I would never divorce over this. I truly love my husband ~ every woman wants to be desired by her husband.
3 replies · active 678 weeks ago
i believe it's his duty to seek out help. Just as we need to be "available" to our hubby's they need to be available for us.

Blue pills, whatever pills if that's what he needs to take he SHOULD. No excuse for not wanting your wife. he should have the HEART to take/do whatever for YOU.
You can't change a person. You just have to pray that he will be convicted and at least want to give you pleasure. However, you must continue to love and serve him. The man I wrote about continues to love and serve his wife even though he is hurting. Jesus came to serve and He calls us to do the same. He calls us to deny ourselves. It isn't easy but very possible with the Holy Spirit living inside of us and giving us daily strength.
Just like the man featured in this blog, you can't change him, or force him to be interested in sex. But I would not let it go! You can go with him to his next doctors appointment and bring up the issue there. I would use "I" language when talking to your husband. Sit down with him and say: "I have a problem. I feel my sexual needs are not being met. I'm very sad and hurt by this........etc" Using "I" language helps him not to feel your mad at him. He may be less defensive. I urge you to seek the help of a sex therapist, even if he won't go with you. You deserve to have your sexual needs met. You are not being selfish.
I'm getting nervous about this stage of life. right now I LOVE sex, I don't have to do it because my hubby needs it, I do it because I NEED it. I have a blood disorder where I will get blood clots if I take any hormones. (no hormonal b/c, and sadly no HRT later in life)

And I've heard HRT has been linked to breast cancer. So I wasn't sold on it anyways. But what are things a woman can't do w/o HRT? Obviously lube, but mood swings, hot flashes you name it.
5 replies · active 429 weeks ago
There is an herb called Maca that helps a lot. Eating a lot of healthy fats does also. Research the internet and just keep trying natural foods and products until you find one that works.
Well I'm good 15-20 yrs from menopause, but probably hitting perimenopause soon. I'm already on a healthy whole foods diet.

it's just the thought of not having HRT that's a bit scarey to me. Not that I thought it was healthy to begin with, but it was something. This topic just renewed my thoughts on what's to come.

Blame it on Eve right? lol
My MIL used wild yam immolient, I believe it was called Resolve. I'm sure you can find it. It worked great for her and her way through menopause was relatively easy!
Thanks Tiffany and Lori. :-)
The very best thing you can do it see a naturopath. There are "bioidentical" hormone replacements that will NOT give you cancer and work much better than the horrible synthetic drugs the doctors prescribe. I have been using them for over a year now, and my menopausal body has been transformed and I feel normal again. I cannot stress enough what a perfect answer it can be for women.
One thing that I love about your blog is that it always challenges women to put themselves in the position of the other: their spouses, children, neighbors, etc. If we are going to love all of these people in our lives as ourselves, we have to stop looking at the situation only from our own narrow, self-interested perspective ( I know I am really guilty of this!) Lori, you could have very easily written a post about the trials and tribulations of menopause and exorting husbands to be patient. However, this woud have only furthered women's excuses for not loving their husbands as themselves and depriving their husbands of intimacy. By showing the man's perspective to an audience of mostly women (I know some men read your blog too, but I assume it is mostly women), you pushed us to consider a perspective other than the natural, self-defensive one we already possess.
I admit, as an unmarried young woman in her twenties, this topic does not directly affect me, but I can assume it is affecting my parents in some way now, and will affect me 20 or 30 years down the line. I am pretty sure that if you had re-told the woman's perspective again, it wouldn't have been very memorable for me. But the man's perspective basically broke my heart. It is something I had never considered and I hope it will stay with me in the future.

One more thought just occurred to me. I don't know if your husband has a blog, but if he did and his audience were mostly men, I think he would make a point to share the woman's perspective and encourage men to be patient and loving toward their wives whose bodies and emotions are going through significant and often physically exhausting changes. Wives could benefit from being reminded of their husbands struggles and perspectives because it removes the wives from their own self-focus. Ditto for the husbands being reminded of their wive's perspectives and experiences.
This is such a needed topic .. and you have handled it beautifully with what you have shared; great comments. I am fresh on the other side of menopause and for about two years, I was in such a funk healthwise. Feeling extremely tired, achy bones, just plain OLD. HRT was not an option I wanted to deal with. God designed this 'stage' of life and we need to embrace it .. hot flashes and all. There are some natural herbs that help lessen the flashes. But, besides not wanting to participate in intimacy for a spell (due to the above mentioned funk), eating a super healthy diet including fresh milk, fresh garden veggies, eliminating ALL processed foods, making good soups from homemade stock (beef, chicken) had a ripple effect and gave me back my 'spring'. Eliminating sugar has also helped. I think that if good nutrition is a lifelong habit, one could sail through menopause with greater ease. You hear so much now-a-days in the news and magazines about this topic. I once asked my mother-in-law if she had problems going through this phase of life and she barely remembered it. From observing my mom and a friend on HRT, I have seen how using it may alleviate the symptoms for a time,but your body becomes used to the hormone and craves it .. leaving you dependent. When both of these women were finally weened off HRT, they once again had the (now delayed menopausal) symptoms. One even got breast cancer.
This is a sad situation and seems like it would be harder to reverse course the longer it continues. I do wonder, though, if sex was ever an enjoyable experience for the wife? After a lifetime of no sex, to give up on it after only 3 years.... has the husband considered whether he was successfully satisfying her?
Excellent Carol... It shouldn't stop any wife who is committed to doing things God's ways. Just the blankets come off the bed a lot more when the hot flashes hit.
She may also be depressed. Depression is hardly a sin. She needs to see her doctor.
I just had my ovaries removed and my depression is back in full swing. My doctor has said this is because my body is not used to the hormonal shift. I'm trying several different things to avoid medication or artificial hormones.

When you are depressed you feel as though your body is outside itself. It's not always a "black cloud" and sleeping all day. Sometimes it is a tense almost anger that causes physical pain.
This poor woman and man should go to the doctor together.

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