Monday, February 6, 2012

When We Spanked



A young mother asked me to be more specific when and in what situations we spanked our children when they were young.  As you know, I flicked their cheek once when they were nursing and bit me.  It stopped them from biting immediately. 

When they started to crawl and would start to stick their fingers in a light socket, we would say "no" and swat their hand.  After that, we would only have to say "no" and they wouldn't touch things we didn't want them to touch. 

As they got older, if we asked them to do something and they said "no" or refused to do it, we would give them a few hard smacks on their bottom with a small leather strap.  This taught them very quickly to obey us when we asked them to do something. 

If they were whining, we would have them go sit somewhere {on the unlit fireplace hearth} until they could behave themselves.  If they were arguing with their sibling, we made them sit right next to each other on the couch for ten minutes or so until they could hug each other and be best friends! 

One time when Ryan was four and Steven was two, Ryan pushed Steven down so he fell on his bottom.  Ken had Ryan come over and pushed Ryan down on his bottom.  He asked Ryan how he liked that and Ryan said he didn't like it, so he never did it again.  Each of them only had one tantrum.  We nipped that in the bud right away.

Ken was always telling the children that Alexanders' love each other.  Our children rarely argued.  We wouldn't put up with it.  We never spanked them after they were five years old.  I don't think any of them ever remember being spanked.  It was very rare.  They were quick learners. 

We expected them to obey us the first time we asked them to do something.  Sometimes if they didn't, we would give them a warning, but usually they obeyed the first time we asked. 

The key is to be consistent and follow through.  After we spanked them,  we would cuddle with them and talk to them about why we spanked them.  They always loved the making up part! 

It isn't easy to discipline your children.  It is hard actually, because you love them so much.  But we didn't want brats.  We wanted to be able to take our children places and have others enjoy them. 

None of them ever got in trouble at school or with anyone in authority.  Even the coaches in high school and college loved them.  They respected authority, even those coaches and ballet teachers that were really tough.  They never talked back to them, even when they were being treated unfairly.  They knew life wasn't fair.  Ken taught them that, so they learned to live with that. 

I love my children.  God blessed me so much.  Take good care of those blessings from God.  Oh, and I also had them memorize a ton of Scripture growing up.  I wanted God's Word hidden in their hearts, so they wouldn't sin against Him. 

Raising children takes a lot of hard work and time.  This is why I am so passionate about mothers being home full time with them.  It is so worth it to have great children turn into great adults. 

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Proverbs 13:24

Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol. My son, if your heart is wise, my heart too will be glad.
Proverbs 23:13-15

Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him. 
Proverbs 22:15

P.S.  From now on, I am going to be deleting comments that aren't thoughtful disagreements, questions, or comments on the specific post.  If you take things out of context, misconstrue my words, or tell me I abused my children or that I encourage women to stay in abusive situations, which is completely false, I will delete your comment.  Not one of my children would say they were abused in any way.  They all enjoyed childhood.  The only thing they said I could have changed was to let them eat more candy!

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What did you do when your child disobeyed you after the age of 5? Thanks.
6 replies · active 681 weeks ago
I'm going to post a link to an article that has come up twice now on two different sites I have visited today. I'm taking it as a sign. I'm not sure if you are going to delete it, but here goes:
http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/06/why-spankin...

It is an article from Time Magazine reporting on research conducted in Canada on spanking children.

I am not suggesting you beat your children, or were abusive, or anything like that. Clearly you have raised a tight-knit family.

However, there is something to be said when 32 countries have passed laws against spanking children (from the article). Perhaps if parents were more judicious in there infliction of corporeal punishment, the results would have been different. I am interested to hear your take on it.
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Scienceteacher · 685 weeks ago

I think there is a huge difference between the occasional swat on the backside (which I received as a youngster) and using hitting/spanking for every childhood infraction. I feel like these two tactics get lumped together all too often (the above mentioned article included).

Yes, habitual hitting without any explanation to the child of why he/she was spanked could lead to increased aggression, but so could repeated exposure to violent TV and video games, or the school playground. I think the key is to use spanking sparingly, follow up with a loving explanation, and not using spanking too far into childhood.
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I disciplined my children but they were still causing me grief well after five. With one son with ADHD, life is not straight forward and your methods doesn't always work, believe me. It took many years and lots of hard work - before I ended up with a son that has turned into a mature hardworking adult (now 24) - still working on the 19 year old. Most parents don't get the successful run you did - most children get into some sort of trouble (even if small) at school.

And I know from my parents who were very strict - my brothers were getting up to mischief into their teens! Normal boys things.
The writer of the article referred to by JRB is by a Bonnie Rochman, a regular contributor to the TIME/HEALTH/PARENTING blog and has published numerous anti-spanking articles with a significant anti-spanking bias. The article is misleading when it titles as a “NEW Analysis” on spanking which is actually 13 years old. The actual study for those who care to view it can be found at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC12306...

The actual research article ends with: “The association is weak for major depression and anxiety, and stronger for alcohol abuse or dependence and externalizing problems.”

Unfortunately, just like global warming, drugs and gay studies, the ones conducting the studies or writing the articles begin with a bias and then see what they want in the data. I know, my critics will accuse me of the same, but let's be real. A thousand studies by anti-spanking psychologists will not change the fact that we, along with billions of other parents raised great kids using modest and mild spanking techniques. The proof is in front of our eyes.

I suggest a Wall Street Journey article: New Research on Spanking Might Need a Time Out, captures it best when it says that conflicting evidence in spanking studies, and no study can predict if it is the “chicken or the egg” that comes first. In other words, do kids with anti-social behavior get more spanking in order to try and control their behavior, or does spanking cause the future anti-social behavior?

The American College of Pediatricians supports spanking in certain instances. Den Trumbull, vice president of the group, says studies need to distinguish between appropriate spanking -- following a warning and done in privacy following specific, proscribed misbehavior.
Thanks for this post. Unfortunately I am discouraged of posting about this issue (and about homeschooling), because somebody told me, that I should not write things like Proverbs 13,24, because I could end up at the police station :( I quoted from the Bible, but they said, that I may not spank children. We live in Europe, and I homeschool, that is not well accepted yet. It is so sad that I may not help mothers who are desperate and get silly help from worldly psychologists. Maybe I am not strong enough....
A consistent reliable parent is a great security for children. My kids all(6 of them) knew I only requested or asked once. They knew I expected them to do what they were told. I think that some of the problem we see today comes from parents who cajole, nag, repeat their requests to their children teaching those kids to not bother to listen or obey.They often threaten without following through. The words do not convey their requests in a meaningful way.
Another great learning lesson here!

I want to let you know that I featured you today. http://thespacebetweenblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/...

Thanks so much for being a part of the challenge!
Karah @ thespacebetweenblog
I think how you raised your children is perfectly fine, but I don't think it's the only way. I don't think you have to spank all children for them to be disciplined. My husband and I are strick with our two almost 2 year-olds. If they tell me no, do not listen the first time, hit their sibling etc. we put them directly in time out. We don't give them a warning, because we don't think giving children warnings teaches them about real life. After all, when the polce pulls you over for speeding most likely they are not going to give you a warning because it was the first time you were caught.

I think consistency and having a plan is key. Our children sit with us in a church service every Sunday that is over a hour long. We did all of this by being consistent on what is expected of them and enforcing it. Our children go to bed every night without a fight because they know they have no option.

This has worked for us so far, but we are not opposed to spanking if our children were not affected by timeouts. Oh, but they are! They hate them!
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Also, my husband and I had several conversations about how we were going to discipline when I was pregnant wih our son. We knew we waned to be on te same page and consistent, but we didn't know if we wanted to spank or not.

We made the decision to not spank because that is what my husband wanted to do. My husband was raised by a father who had anger problems, and my husband also used to have anger problems as a teen but he overcame them. He feared that he would be tempted to discipline out of anger instead of love, and he didn't want to do that to his children.

I just want to make it clear that we are not against spanking.

A random question. Have you heard of Babywise? We used these methods with our son to get him to start sleeping through the night at 8 weeks and form good eating habits. Many say THIS is abuse, but I beg to differ! I'm curious what your opinion is on it.
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I wish more parents believed in consistent discipline. It does children so much good to know how to act and what boundaries are. So many children feel they are 'entitled' to everything and whatever behaviour they conduct is just fine. That is all on the parents. it scares me sometimes.
I can see your point. I have come to his conclusion: I think spanking can be effective, but so can other forms of discipline. There are probably some parents who spank who have terribly behaved children, and some parents who spank who have wonderfully behaved children. Also - there are probably some parents who use time outs, taking away privileges, etc. and have terrible behaved children but some who have perfectly behaved children! I don't think there is a one size fits all answer for discipline because every child, parent, and situation is very different. I think the #1 key to success with parenting is CONSISTENCY.
I think it's a mistake to write a post saying that spanking is always wonderful, creates perfect children, and is never wrong. That is unrealistic and no one will believe you.

The majority of men who are in prison for violent crimes were "spanked." It is not the wonderful cure-all you seem to need to make it out to be.
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This blog is just what I needed to read today! I am a SAHM of 3 and 1 year old girls and had a rough day yesterday with the 3 year old. I was not being consistent in my discipline and it showed! I was raised very similar to how you raised your children, and I believe it works. It is all about how the discipline is given. Talking about why a spanking was needed and showing love after a spanking are crucial steps in process. I never thought my parents didn't love me after getting a spanking. Regarding the above comment, I can almost be sure the majority of men in prison were spanked in an angry, not loving, way.
Whoo- hoo, Lori! Love hearing of victorious, godly parenting resulting in godly children who love life, love people, love family. Keep up the challenging and life-giving posts! You might be the only one who tells it like it could be in this crazy world.
I am glad you are taking the initiative to delete hateful comments. It has come to a point where I can't read them anymore.
I was dumbfounded on yesterdays post where someone advised someone to seek council with someone who isn't a Christian. People have not had scripture to back up their opinions & people act as though they are an exception to the Word of God.
I will continue to read your posts as I enjoy & find most of them encouraging.
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Abuse!!!! Just kidding. Look at those bright, cheery faces of your children. Here's the thing, I think it's dangerous for those of us who are still raising little ones to even weigh in on the subject. Unless of course, we disagree.
When we adopted children we had to say that we do not agree with hitting children. Since we do not ever "hit" children we agreed.
I do think there is quickly coming a time where spanking, or any for of Biblical arenting will become outlawed. Chesk out today's newest article. http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/spanking-kids-c...
I love your article by the way, but still would never flick my babies...just sayin. :)
*form* *parenting*
My husband and I do not spank our children. We found using techniques such as timeouts, loss of privileges, extra chores, early bed times, etc to be very effective. It must work, because we get compliments on how well our kids behave and how well-mannered they are all the time. My oldest daughter’s teacher told her that she wishes she had 10 of her in class. So you can have wonderfully disciplined kids without spanking. Consistency is the key!
We did go through a period where our daughter’s were arguing a lot and saying hurtful things to each other. What I did was take a tube of toothpaste. I had them both squeeze some out on a dish. Then I instructed them to put the toothpaste back into the tube. Impossible! Of course they couldn’t do it. I explained to them that words are like toothpaste, once they come out of the tube, you can’t put them back in! You can say you are sorry, but you can never take the words back completely. Sure they went to bed early for name calling, but it’s the toothpaste lesson that stuck. In fact, my youngest daughter told the toothpaste story at share time the next day. Made me proud!
You have always shown thoughtfulness in what I read here on your blog, and I can see that you were very thoughtful in your choices of discipline strategies as you raised your children.

In fact, it seems to me that you were/are so thoughtful and so dedicated as a parent that I truly believe that you could have been equally successful in your parenting ministry if you had chosen not to employ pain-based methods of behaviour modification. I truly wish you had, and I hope that others will follow a non violent parenting path.

I still hold the opinion (very strongly!) that pain-based methods of behaviour modification are not an appropriate part of Christian parenting ministry.

I understand that children survive, even thrive in situations where their parents don't do the right thing all the time (who does do the right thing all the time?) and I know that good people tend to make good parents even when they choose bad methods... but I'm just not willing to accept as 'good' the practice of hitting, flicking, swatting with a hand, or giving a few hard smacks with anything at all. There is simply no good reason for one person to do that to another person.
The other thing we need to be cautious of is excessive discipline and disciplining with anger. This goes for spankers as well as non-spankers (like me). When I was 8 years old, I was visiting a friend and she talked back to her mom. Her mother got way too angry (in my opinion). She got a man’s belt, made her daughter bend over, and proceeded to whip her with the belt at least 10 times, probably more, while yelling at her the whole time. I ran in my friend’s bedroom, but could still hear the sound of the belt and my friend’s cries. After it was over, I asked to call my mom and went home. I burst into tears when I got in the car. My mom never let me go over my friend’s house again. All play dates were held at my house after. Now, my parents gave me a few swats with their hands when I was young, but I had never seen anything like that before. It’s been 30 years and I still remember the incident like it was yesterday.

Continued in next post.........
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Thank you for this! Seriously - we are going to do the time out chair for whining now. I have a very whiney 2 year old and while he is a late talker, and likely whines sometimes because he can't get his point across, any words (even babbling) would be better than this! A very encouraging post! Popping over from WLW.
I was spanked as a child. I turned out just fine. In fact, I told my mom many times as a young adult that I wish she would have spanked me more-especially when it came to dealing with my verbal issues as I got older. By that time, my grandma probably couldn't have chased me down in the yard and spanked me like she did when I was young, either. But I am grateful!

Stopped by from RH :)
You simply cannot ignore scripture! The Bible clearly says in Prov 23:13-15 that spanking a child will not harm him, rather it will save his soul!! I was spanked as a child... many times. If someone were to ask me if I think my parents abused me, I would respond with a resounding NO! I knew that spanking was a consequence of my actions. When I was spanked, my parents told me why and reiterated their love for me.
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