This chapter is one of the reasons this book gets so many negative reviews. The Pearls teach spanking. I bet those who are hateful towards the Pearls have never read this book. I have read a couple blogs whose purpose was to destroy the Pearls. Those who write are full of bitterness and hate. It's shameful since the Pearls make it very clear about the boundaries when using spanking and how God has commanded parents to use the rod, since there are many parents who abuse it and do intend to harm their children with it. In bold letters they write "if you inherited your father's anger, then by all means do not spank" and to use love as your motivation for spanking. "Keep in mind, no amount of spanking can train a child who does not feel safe and cherished." Any parent who beats their children are wicked, evil parents. For some to blame this wicked behavior on the Pearls is wrong as they make it clear to never spank in anger or harm the child. Some states no longer allow parents to spank, or must do so using only an open hand. Make sure you know what your state allows. {I really hate governments interfering with how parents raise their children as if they know better than the majority of parents. A few awful parents ruin it for the many good ones.}
Children that are properly spanked in a context of love and goodwill are purged of their ugliness and become lovely in the sight of adults who then dote on them, brag on what "good kids they are," and take great pleasure in their presence. So which is better: to make them happy with properly ordered discipline or to leave them miserable and rejected with empty threats and criticism?* We saw this as we were raising our children. Our children exhibited some ugliness at a very young age as most children do. Temper tantrums are ugly regardless of the age of the person throwing them, especially when adults throw them. We dealt with our children swiftly, firmly and with the least amount of spanking necessary so that our children knew temper tantrums would not be tolerated in our home. We also saw parents pamper their children, not wanting to discipline them. Unfortunately, some of these children grew up to have little self-control and discipline. It is hard to lead a joyful and successful life when you have never learned to control your stubborn self-will.
You may feel that love prevents you from applying corporal chastisement. But there are millions of parents who testify that love is what motivates them to spank their children, and their children interpret it as love. The God who made little children and therefore knows what is best for them has instructed parents to employ the "rod" in training up their children.* Mothers tell me that they could never spank their children because they "love them too much." I never have understood this reasoning because I loved my children but I didn't want them to be rebellious. I wanted them to be able to control themselves and be a joy for their teachers, coaches, bosses, and friends. Teaching them discipline and self-control is the most loving thing you can do for your children.
If you choose not to accept the Biblical precept, "spare the rod and spoil the child," at least find the intent of teaching self-control and discipline to your children at a very young age with other means. Children who are well disciplined in a loving, but firm manner, grow up to be more successful and secure in life. All of life's successes require learning to control one's thoughts and actions. Spanking with a few swats at a young age is an efficient and effective way of communicating with a child who cannot reason between what behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable. By the age of three, our children obeyed our voices and quickly surrendered their stubborn wills, knowing that Mom and Dad would win if they wanted to test us. Rarely did we have to spank past three, maybe four years old, because they learned to obey us early on. It is always best to win the battles at the youngest ages possible, instead of dealing with the unbridled wills of teenagers. No marks, no bruises, no lasting memories, except to know that discipline and obedience is required in your family.
If you choose not to accept the Biblical precept, "spare the rod and spoil the child," at least find the intent of teaching self-control and discipline to your children at a very young age with other means. Children who are well disciplined in a loving, but firm manner, grow up to be more successful and secure in life. All of life's successes require learning to control one's thoughts and actions. Spanking with a few swats at a young age is an efficient and effective way of communicating with a child who cannot reason between what behaviors are acceptable or unacceptable. By the age of three, our children obeyed our voices and quickly surrendered their stubborn wills, knowing that Mom and Dad would win if they wanted to test us. Rarely did we have to spank past three, maybe four years old, because they learned to obey us early on. It is always best to win the battles at the youngest ages possible, instead of dealing with the unbridled wills of teenagers. No marks, no bruises, no lasting memories, except to know that discipline and obedience is required in your family.
God is love; His love desires the best and highest for every individual. Since real love chooses the best, it must bring correction to anything within an individual's life that will keep that one from the best. Without true discipline, there's not true love, and without true love, there is not true discipline {Roy Lessin}. God disciplines those He loves. We are His children and He tells us that discipline isn't pleasant but brings about a righteous life. I want to act like a Christian and be molded by the Lord. Yes, it's taken many painful experiences in my life, but I can look back on it now and see that it was all worth while. He is good and His ways are good.
Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous,
but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12:11
Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous,
but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Hebrews 12:11
Brooke · 458 weeks ago
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Kevin · 458 weeks ago
"1. Limit the age and number of swats when spanking – Evangelical leader James Dobson says parents shouldn’t spank kids younger than 15-to-18-months old and “most corporal punishment [should] be finished prior to the first grade.” He and others have also popularized the “two-smacks-max” approach to limiting the number of swats. These restrictions, however, are found nowhere in the Biblical text. Rather, these teachings are often drawn from social science, a field that is dismissed by the same individuals when convenient.
In the Bible, there is no upper or lower age limit found in the Biblical text. However, the Bible does speak about corporal punishment for adults at which point it imposes a “40 lashes, but no more” restriction (Deuteronomy 25:3).
2. Aim for the buttocks – Christian pastor and author John Piper says, “Children have little fat bottoms so that they can be whopped . . . It is not beating. It is not abuse. There is a clear difference.” But the Bible says that the rod of discipline is for “the backs of fools” (Proverbs 26:3; see also Proverbs 10:13 and Proverbs 14:3). If you read the Bible’s spanking texts as literal, timeless commands, aim for the back not the butt.
3. A belt, paddle, or hand will do – As Christian author Chip Ingram writes, Christians should “use a wooden spoon or some other appropriately sized paddle and flick your wrist” when spanking. But the Bible only instructs the use of two items for corporal punishment—the “rod” and “whip” (see various passages).
Some Christians promote a “rule of thumb,” which says that Christians should use a “switch” that is no bigger in diameter than one’s thumb. But this is not found in the Bible either. The “rod” in the Bible can refer to a range of items, including a shepherd’s staff or tree branch. No matter which definition you choose, there is no diameter restriction provided in the text itself.
4. Never leave a mark – Many Christian advocates for spanking talk about “swatting” a child so that it stings, but doesn’t leave a mark. But this is a modern American idea of spanking that has no root in the Scriptures. As Proverbs 20:30 says, “Blows and wounds (bruises) scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.” The kind of discipline that cleanses the heart, according to the text, actually does leave a mark. The only restriction seems to be that punishing with the rod of discipline shouldn’t kill the person or cause dismemberment or permanent damage (see, for example, Proverbs 23:13).
5. Don’t hit out of anger – As Tom Frye, founder of Family First, wrote recently at Crosswalk.com, “A spanking (or any form of discipline) should never be delivered in anger. This may require a ‘time out’ for the parent to cool down so that loving discipline can take place.” But if the discipline of children by parents is a mirror of God’s discipline of God’s children, as pro-spanking Christians claim, then this is a farce. The discipline of God throughout the Scriptures isn’t absent of anger. It actually flows from God’s righteous anger."
http://religionnews.com/2014/10/03/5-myths-biblic...
So if we are spanking our kids because it is God's perfect way of discipline, why are we reading into the text and making up "rules" (number of hits, type of hits, age restrictions, etc) when those are not in the Bible? Is there a Bible verse that says this is okay?
StillGrowing · 458 weeks ago
(Lori, I have been reading your posts for many, many months and I am so thankful that you continue to write the truth and to not "re-express" God's word)
Susan · 458 weeks ago
A few swats (2 or 3) on the behind of a young child will not hurt him - but will let him know what voice he should listen to for guidance and safety (the parents and the Lord).
Polly · 458 weeks ago
Spanking is such a divisive issue these days! I appreciate the balanced perspective that I am seeing from these comments that notes that it is not necessary for disciplining a child, but can be useful when done with the right heart/spirit, and not more than absolutely necessary.
My own experience is that I did spank my children when they were very small, very few times. It never seemed exactly right to me, probably because I generally did feel anger and would spank when I felt like I didn't have anything else to do to discipline the child! So I stopped and tried to re-equip myself with other parenting tools, which seemed like a healthy thing to do. (Making an "if/then" chart for myself was useful because it gave me immediate consequences to give to my children when they misbehaved--and helped me not get angry.)
Since then I've found that my children don't "need" spankings (they are older now--9 and 5). The spankings I did were generally on a toddler or preschooler who was doing something clearly egregious--once, it was for disobedience that was downright dangerous (running through a parking lot when I said to stop! my son was about 2. He never ran through a parking lot again!! It was far better to spank him than to allow him to put himself in danger again). I probably spanked my son a dozen times (which was probably half a dozen times too many, I'm sorry to say), and my daughter--once or twice!
Children need boundaries, rules, guidance, and discipleship, especially in this difficult world, where too many children are allowed to simply do what they want to do--with negative consequences later in life. I consider myself a very loving parent who is laid back about certain things (going outside to pick flowers or play in mud puddles, yes! go ahead!) but strict about enforcing our expectations. We don't use spanking at all anymore, but having clear expectations and *not being lazy* about consistency means we don't need corporal punishment. I don't know if we don't need to spank now because I did spank a few times when they were little, or because we've just tried to be consistent and loving and we're seeing the fruit of it, or if we're just lucky.....but I'm grateful that our children are helpful, obedient, and just lovely to raise.
I have enjoyed Sally Clarkson's books on mothering (she writes from the approach of loving relationship and discipling, while still speaking truth to children and giving them Biblical teaching), and they're helpful to me as I grow into having slightly-older children.
My children and I also talk a lot about why we discipline them.....it took several conversations but my son finally began to realize that we discipline out of love, not out of meanness, and that children who are not disciplined have parents who are not loving them enough to do what is right. I know parents whose children won't go to bed until midnight because the parents simply don't believe in discipline--(for 5 year olds!)--and these parents are exhausted and exasperated, but don't have the backbone to set limits. I know it's hard for a gentle, loving parent to get a backbone, particularly when they have a strong-willed child, but I think avoiding discipline is detrimental.
One last remark: my father was a prison warden for many years. (If you can imagine a 300-lb, 6'2" 'gentle giant'--that's my dad! he was very intimidating! but so fair and reasonable!) When I was a child and would complain about being disciplined, he'd say to me "I have a prison filled with 600 men whose parents never told them no, Polly." That has always stayed with me.
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pamelambc 33p · 458 weeks ago
It makes me sad to hear about mothers who swat or thump cheeks or even pull hair when the baby bites during breastfeeding. The baby has no clue it hurts. Simply removing the baby from you will teach them just as well. They will learn not to bite the food supply if they want to eat.
Overall, though, I agree.
Mara · 458 weeks ago
Anyway, now retired and in his seventies he has really mellowed and he and my MIL look after my brother-in-law's two year old son a few times a week. My FIL is so tender and loving towards my little nephew, almost obsessed with him, and I doubt he would ever even raise his voice to him. This favouritism is making me very angry. I cannot stand to watch the tenderness he shows towards my nephew, while thinking about the abuse he dished out to my husband. My husband has a good relationship with his dad now, but he has never confronted him about his childhood "discipline". And this makes me even angrier. I feel like I can't/shouldn't say anything to my husband or to his parents, but all this is doing is leading to a rage towards my in-laws that is building up inside of me. Help.
Love Mara.
Mara · 458 weeks ago
Yes I meant tree switch. My husband was not aggressive, just a normal boy like his nephew. Now when my nephew misbehaves or tantrums, my inlaws laugh at it and think it's cute and endearing. Grrr.
My husband has never said that he feels he was abused. Although he does say that MY family of origin wasn't normal and that we were spoilt because my parents never used a tree switch on us :( We did get smacked on the bottom though, but rarely.
And yes, my anger is defnitely related to jealousy that my children do not receive the same love from grandpa (& grandma) that our nephew receives. My inlaws are consumed by my nephew, focus totally on him and seem bored and disengaged with my teenaged children. For example, they know every little bit of info on what my nephew likes to eat, play, do, wear, etc while they now no longer even know how old my children are and which year level they are in at school. Even in our company, all they want to discuss is this nephew. It is frustrating, and sometimes I just want to tell them "enough already". But I stay quiet. The only escape is to avoid them.
I feel that I can't discuss any of this with my husband, even when he brings it up, as he gets angry at me if I ever criticise his parents. I wish I could discuss it with FIL but he is hard of hearing and it has been years since I have been able to have a proper conversation with him about anything. My MIL is manipulative and emotionally fragile and would freak out if I criticised any of her actions. On top of all this, I know my husband would be very angry and upset with me if I ever spoke to his parents about something like this.
My inlaws ask a lot from my husband. He is the one they call on whenever they need help with anything. Meanwhile his brother is favoured and treated like a pampered prince, and they go out of their way to do whatever they can to help him out, and never ask anything of him. As an example, they hosted a special lunch at their home for my BIL's birthday. My husband's birthday that same year - they forgot about it completely till two weeks after the fact, and their excuse was they didn't realise because they were so focused and busy with their little grandson. I could not believe it. Well actually I could.
Writing all of this out has been therapeutic in a way. I guess I realise that things have happened for years, and the situation will never change. I need to accept this and let go of the anger, rage and jealousy. Right now though, a big part of me just wants to tell my inlaws exactly what I think, when they do what they do. It is so hard holding all this in. Anger and jealousy are brewing into an internal rage. This is not good.
Sincerely, Mara.
Mara · 458 weeks ago
Mara
Genevieve · 458 weeks ago
Aside from their teachings about spanking (which contradict the Holy Scriptures in a number of ways), the Pearls teach a heretical view of human nature. They teach that spanking cleanses the child from sin. They teach that children are born morally neutral and are not held accountable by God for their sin. I am absolutely floored that these teachings do not set off alarm bells in the minds of the evangelicals who love this book. It only took one read for me to pick up on the heresy. And its not ME saying its heresy. Ask St. Augustine! Ask Anselm.
Modern day Protestant theology is based on what these men taught about the Bible.
I know a lot of people read the Pearls and say they can eat the fruit while spitting out the pits, but I've found that what they say that is good has been said elsewhere and much more clearly than what has been published by the Pearls.
Ken · 458 weeks ago
"A child properly and timely spanked is healed in the soul and restored to wholeness of spirit. According to the Scriptures, a child can be turned back from the road to hell through proper spankings. "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" (Prov. 23:13, 14) You theologians should understand that we are not suggesting that a parent's chastisement in any way redeems the soul of the child. But purging the emotions of guilt is a wonderful tool that enables the matured child to understand the atonement of Christ." (Train up a Child Pgs. 60, 61).