Wednesday, June 15, 2016

Modesty and Homecoming Court


It is said that the church is ten years behind the culture in accepting its views. It seems to be true. Many "Christians" today don't look nor act any different than those of the culture. Let's take the issue of modesty. I went to a very large public high school in the middle of the 1970s. It was after the sexual revolution of the 1960s so clothes were coming off. However, the picture above is of my Homecoming court. {I am the one on the left.} These dresses would be considered very modest by today's standards. This is how the girls dressed for Homecoming and Prom back then. During the dances, the music was loud and everyone was moving all around. There were slow dances and it would be like hugging the one we were dancing with. No, it wasn't proper since I'm sure it was difficult for the guys but this is the way it was back then.

This picture below is from my son's Homecoming Court. He attended a private Christian High School.


These dresses are very low cut and all made out of slinky material that looks more like lingerie than dresses and this is at a Christian High School! I can't imagine what they look like at public high schools now. Most young women have no idea how to dress modestly today, not even Christian ones. Whatever is in style, they wear, regardless of whether or not it is modest. They tried very hard at this Christian high school to keep the girls modest but it was difficult. If they came to the Homecoming dance or Prom and their dresses were too low cut, they would have to wear napkins in the front of their dress. 

During their dances, the teachers would have to roam the floor of the dance floor since some of the kids wanted to "freak dance" together; a kind of mimicking sexual intercourse and foreplay. The kids who wanted to do this would get in the center of the floor and do this; trying to hide from the teachers. I am sure it has gotten much worse today but when you put immodestly dressed young women, along with high testosterone filled young guys together in the same room swaying all over the place, bad and improper things are bound to happen. We wonder why fornication among "Christian" kids is as high as the world's kids. 

The couple who is the head of premarital counseling at the huge church right near us told Ken and me, when we were some of the counselors, that most engaged couples are living together. He said when he started 30 years ago, none of them were. 

We must train our daughters up to know better than this. They need to dress according to biblical standards, not the standards of our culture. God calls women to be shamefacedness; not drawing attention to ourselves. We are to draw attention to Christ in us with a meek and quiet spirit; completely opposite of what today's Christian women are being taught. We aren't supposed to spend a lot of money on "costly array" for ourselves but be known for our good works instead. Teach them to save themselves sexually for their husbands, so they won't have the scars and guilt of having sexual relations before marriage.

Desire to please the Lord more than anyone else. Obey Him and you will reap His blessings. This all comes down to a heart issue, women. Do you have a heart for the Lord and wanting to honor Him in all you do or do you have a heart for yourself and wanting to please yourself instead?

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works.
1 TImothy 2:9, 10

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Anonymous 2 · 458 weeks ago

Since the season of proms just ended, I can tell you about them. We live in a more conservative area with lots of homeschoolers. The local paper has pictures posted on their site, so I did scroll through them. The home school ones, I know go to a family owned place to eat with a banquet hall. They do not have any dancing there. Most had modest gowns on, but there were a few not as modest.

The public school pictures showed both. I did see some very nice modest gowns, but than you also had some slinky gowns. I was surprised though that I saw a fair amount of modest gowns in the public school pictures. However, our public schools have a high amount of Christians that go there. Some churches in our area, the people think that sending your child to public school there are a light in that school. We don't agree with that on the same reasons you wouldn't agree with that.

I do find it interesting, that I learned more on modesty while in the homeschool circles than at the church we were going to at the time. Not all home school circles even promote that anymore either. When I started homeschool 21 years ago, it was different than now, though. It can be a rather diversified group in beliefs.
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No church I have ever attended taught modesty. In fact, they never taught any of the principles in the Word specifically geared to women, sadly.
My middle daughter attends a private religious school. She will attend her graduation banquet tomorrow night, and the dress code requires covered shoulders, modest neckline, and skirts to the knee. This is considered to be a more liberal school, since they do not require covered collarbones and elbows, and allow bare legs instead of requiring tights.
Where are the father's? I think us women shut them up. I have seen even with more Godly, modest families the father expressing concern about what his daughter is wearing and the mother overriding him, acting as if he were being ridiculous/old fashioned/over protective. Our children are small but if my husband says anything at all about our daughter's dress (or mine) I listen and encourage her to as well. She loves her daddy and wants to look pretty for him.
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Anonymous 2 · 458 weeks ago

You are onto something there with the father's. Where are they? I have heard it said, if a daughter doesn't feel loved or has a father she will look for the affection and attention else where.
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HappyHomemaker · 458 weeks ago

At our son's graduation from public school this year, as we were walking in, underclassmen sponsors handed out programs, they were young ladies and had on really short skirts, to which my husband said "You can tell the ones that either the father is not involved or the mother runs the house" While discussing this, he went on to say that the father either didn't see the child leave, because he couldn't imagine any dad being ok with his daughter so exposed or the mother runs the house and shut him up about it.
Godly fathers should definitely care about how their daughters dress but if they don't, the mothers should care and teach them about modesty and becoming a godly woman.
They have been castrated by the wife. You know when I told my daughter her shorts were to short ONCE I got yelled at by my wife that "she would handle it" . She did for a bit, but it's back to where it was.

The church? Who do you think pastors? Women? The pastor would no doubt have women screeching at him.
Good for you, Alisha. If we look just like the world, how will they see Jesus in us. In most "Christian" women, today, they aren't showing the world Jesus, but showing off their bodies and/or clothing.
Love your modest dresses! That is so awesome that it was like that back then. My girls go to a formal sports banquet each year at our church and we have never found a modest dress. We buy the dresses that are not low-cut and they wear a little sweater with them. Thanks for standing for modesty, Lori!
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You're welcome, Jill! Christians may have to go back to sewing their own clothing someday. :)
More and more of the prom dresses look like Victoria's Secret lingerie than anything that could be called a dress. It is really sad.
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It is very sad, Charles.
I work in catering and our venue hosts about 25-40 proms every year. The worst group of kids were the private "christian" schools. Openly drinking at the tables with nips they brought in. Drugs in the bathroom. Hooking up in the bathroom. They are nightmares!
I have seen a wide range of dresses and they can be pretty bad and also really pretty. A popular style this year was "cut outs" or "two piece" dresses. Where the sides had slices in them or there was a top and a bottom with midriff showing. I did see some dresses where i thought to myself "this child does not have a mother, or real friends" because the dress was all wrong and either two sizes too small or showing way too much!
I told my daughter since I've worked all of these proms, i will have very high standards for her prom dress! i am considered a "cool mom" in her group of friends but i still have high standards for her clothing. shorts have to be fingertip length, no skinny strap tanks, no bikinis. and her dresses have to pass the "lift your arms and bend over" test, otherwise they are not being bought. any tank she has to wear a cardigan over at school. :) so you can guess what i will be like when we go prom dress shopping!
i actually have a tattoo on my shoulder. It barely covers my shoulder and is black and white so not really bright and in your face, but my boyfriend does not like tattoos, so when we are going places that require me to dress up, i always make sure i have either a cardigan on or wear a dress with sleeves. i dont when we are going out to the beach or hanging around the house, but he does appreciate the effort.
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The kids at this private Christian school may be not much better than other children since the foundation comes from what they are getting at home. If they aren't getting the Word implanted in their souls consistently by godly parents, they don't have must chance of not mimicking the world and it's values. However, all of their teachers, principals, and headmasters are Christians so they are hearing the Word consistently throughout the day. I have seen many of the classmates that my children went to school with grow up to love the Lord and walk in His ways, thankfully.
I think sometimes parents will send their children to Christian schools even if they are not because they think "Godly school = no problems". But it doesn't always work like that. Lots of schools of all religions have problem kids, problem families and teachers. You are right they must not have a good foundation at home. I was floored when working those events. There will always be one or two kids at any event like that who cause problems. But at the private school ones, no one could wait till the night was over. We were supposed to be serving food and cleaning up and instead we were policing kids and "babysitting"
I LOVE the 1970s dresses! I think they are all pretty and feminine.

Our local newspaper publishes photos of kids from prom and homecoming each year. There are many dresses like the ones pictured above from your son's school, and many worse. I was surprised this year at how many have cut-out midriffs, or even NO midriff (a two-piece dress, in other words, with a skimpy top!). Homecoming dresses are often very short and very tight. It is disappointing to see what our culture is allowing--contrast those dresses with the ones you wore in the 1970s, or dresses from 50 years before, and the older styles are just more flattering, more beautiful, and more feminine. But then again, maybe I'm biased because I love sewing with vintage patterns--I have hundreds from my grandmother!

A friend of mine, whose children are now in the 20s, reported that back when her homeschooled children attended the local "homeschool prom" the kids all met the standard of modesty set by the rules, but the immodest behavior was extreme. She told me that "modesty of the heart" is something I need to be mindful of in raising children--just as much as clothing issues. I see what she means--the outward and the inward don't always match.

You may have already written a post on this topic, but I'd like to know how you dealt with modesty in your daughters as they grew up. The other day at the pool my daughter (who is FIVE), turned to me and said "I want one of those bathing suits where your tummy is sticking out!" Obviously that's not going to happen, but it stumped me. How do I teach my daughter the importance of modesty (of the heart and the body) while not sounding judgmental about the girls with their "tummies sticking out?" (ha!) I don't want to raise a Pharisee who is legalistically assessing everyone else--I want to raise a child who is wise and can make wise choices in the face of a challenging culture!

Thank you!
I read this article and had a thought come to mind. One area I see this immodesty growing is in the home and church where we see a "come as you are" attitude. At a recent Christian homeschool graduation some of the fathers of the graduates were wearing shorts. Likewise I see men and women coming into church in shorts,t-shirts,and sandles/flip-flops. These are not guests but regulars / leaders. The way the people are dressed are a reflection of their attitudes. So what type of attitude are these leaders showing the young people and other new Christians? I know there are those who would say I am being legalistic and being to uptight and not allowing the freedom that God has given us. So what,we as Christians are to be examples to the world and are to set the standards of morality and of decency in the world around us. I see when we go out as a family (and individually) and we are dressed not as slobs but in modest clean clothes (even though it may be jeans and a t-shirt - no vulgar printing or bad picture) we are treated better and with civility by others. This is in joint harmony with our attitude of serving others,being kind to others,and putting others ahead. Our attitude is reflected in our dress.
i love the "come as you are attitude"! Many churches in my area have that attitude and have seen no problem with it. It doesn't matter what you wear to church as long as you and your children look presentable and respectful. What matters is your love for the Lord! I know for me and my family, my husband and I look nice and my children are clean and look respectable.They are excited to learn! That makes me happy!

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