You have some great
questions and I am surprised that more readers did not ask them, because they
seem so obvious. You ask: “Does God want to meet all our needs,
including physical?” {Ken's response on his post about Conflict Resolution.}
You
bet, and for that matter God makes a promise to us that He WILL meet ALL of our
needs… does He not? “But my God shall
supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus” {Philippians 4:19} and again, “But seek first the kingdom of God and his
righteousness, and all these things will be added to you” {Matthew 6:33-34}.
We do have needs that stem from the physical
aspects of our being. We need food, clothing, shelter, sex, and a need for
safety. All things related to the physical are true “needs” and if they are not
met our existence ceases. There may even be basic psyche needs, such as a
certain amount of touch and tender care at a young age for the body and mind to
properly develop. These things are true needs.
Fast forward now to an adult and tell me how many
true needs outside of the physical realm do you “need” and how many of these
things are desires. They may be strong desires. They may feel at times as if
you might even die if you cannot get the desire for love and acceptance from
others, but in reality these are not needs, but a construct of our own minds
often placed there by the world.
Interestingly I was just finishing reading this article when I saw your comments and I recommend you take a moment to read the
whole article, and try to digest it. A reader asked me if I had heard of Paul Tripp
and the only Paul Tripp that I knew of was an old youth pastor of mine in Florida some 42 years ago. Sure enough, it was the same Paul Tripp and he
has some great insight into this issue that you are inquiring about. So I can
only assume that God is using this reader and me to bring you to Paul Tripp and his
teaching for some reason J. Isn’t that the way God works sometimes?
Paul Tripp writes ~
“But
in a fallen world, where life doesn’t operate the way it should, there’s a
difference between need and desire. Need means essential for life; desire means
a strong feeling of want. Many of our desires aren’t wrong, as long as they
don't rule us, but they’re simply not needs.”
“Do
you see how dangerous this concept of ‘need’ can be? If you name something as a
need that’s simply a desire, it can dramatically alter your life. You’ll feel
entitled to it, you’ll demand it, and you’ll judge the love of others by their
ability to provide it."
“It’s
always best to allow your Heavenly Father to define what you need. Trust the
Bible; you’re in good hands when it comes to your family privileges. As an
adopted child of God, you’re entitled to heavenly grace as an heir of Christ" {Romans 8:16-17}.
Read
the rest of the article, but the bottom line of my message is not to make
anyone feel that their desires are all wrong, for they are not. But when we
classify them as “needs” we then set ourselves up as entitled to have these
desires be met by others, when in reality God may desire to meet those seeming
needs another way, to meet them Himself, or remove them completely.
For
many years I heard Lori say to me, "I need an intimate relationship!” I said, “Yes!
I need one too, so what can I do to help us get there.” What we did not know at
the time was that neither of us could fill the other's desires until we first
gave up our own individual sense of what we needed from the other person and
instead went about trying to please our spouse. It is in giving and doing for
God and others that we live out our true identity as New Creatures in Christ,
alive in Christ and complete in Him.
"Did
you get the complete part?” Is this not the promise that we have from God that
we are already complete in Him, and we need nothing to fill in our desires
because He is to fill us up completely with His grace, His power, and His
person. When the God of the universe lives inside of you… can you tell me how
many needs you truly have that are not physical?
Herein
lies the problem with far too many marriages and probably where you struggle in
your counseling to wives. It is exactly where we were for so many years when
Lori was sure that apart from my doing certain things like listening better to
her, walking with her, being nice and kind and gentle with her, getting her
flowers and gifts from time to time and writing cards and notes, that somehow
she was broken. That the only way to fix her inner most needs was if her
husband stepped up to the plate and became who she thought he should be. Yet
her desires kept changing.
The
problem is that when you have a broken cup of love needs that is constantly
leaking your spouse is on a never ending treadmill to try to meet your demands.
No matter how hard he/she tries he/she can never keep you filled up because you
are leaking.
God
has a plan for every leaking cup and that is not to fix it, but to kill it, and
throw it out. Instead, He buries us with Christ and raises us up with a whole
new cup filled with His identity in Christ Jesus. Jesus says let me come inside
of you and fill you up to the top and overflowing, once and forever, each and
every moment you believe in my promises. He asks “Is my grace sufficient?” {2
Corinthians 12:9}? Are you complete in Christ? Does God supply all our needs?
The
world say “no” you need more and you need it from others, but God says, “no” I
want you to solely depend on Me and allow Me to meet not only your physical needs,
but also give you the desires of your heart {Psalm 37:4-7}.
When a believer is
self-seeking, looking to meet their own desires, even through their spouse,
they do this in the flesh and are not walking in faith hand in hand with the
God of
the universe who lives inside of them. There is nothing wrong with asking a
spouse to meet some or all of your desires, but when your desires turn to
needs, and needs turn to a sense of entitlement, then we become nothing more
than Eve as she reaches for the apple believing that all that God has already
given her is not enough. She thinks she knows better than God about her own
needs, and besides, she wants that apple so badly. How can it hurt to demand
that my husband do x, y and z and tell him that I need these things to have a
great relationship?!
When
we begin to realize that almost everything we think we need so badly are simply
desires of our hearts, then we are willing to patiently wait on the Lord to
fill up those desires or to take them away from us. I believe that a good 90%
of what Lori thought were her needs from me have completely disappeared. She
came to me one day and told me she finally figured it out. Figured out how we
can have the intimate relationship she always wanted, and that was to stop
trying to have me please her in a myriad of different ways, and instead change
her focus to a life hidden with Christ where all the needs of her inner person
are met in Christ Jesus. Where her role was no longer to have her needs met,
but instead to try to please me by reflecting Jesus to me.
The
results are hard to describe when we know who we are in Christ, accept that He
is the one who will meet all of the needs of our inner person, and to patiently
wait with a servant’s heart until the day Christ either fills up our heart's
desires, or takes the desires away. Herein is why “win him without a word” works
so wonderfully in turning marriages around, because God focuses the wife on her
own behavior, and looking outward to meet the desires of others, with no more pining
for unmet expectations of perceived unmet needs.
If
you want to change the lives of those you counsel you must deal with them where
they are at first, bad thinking and all. We know we cannot tell a broken wife
that all she has to do is get her theology and doctrine straight and she will
be healed. We have to give her concrete
things she can do to help move her and her husband forward in their
relationship, all the while knowing that these things are but band-aids
compared to the miracle cure of knowing who we are in Christ Jesus. One can use
good personal relation's skills to coax and cajole their spouse into seemingly
meeting some of their needs and feel better about the marriage. But at some
point, we must also explain to them that their cup is broken and leaking, and
the only way to stay full with all their desires met is to allow Christ to
throw away our cup of needs, and replace it with Himself, and His Spirit.
Christ never leaks, and we are always complete in Him. We may not feel like it
from time to time, but that does not change the immutable Word of God on the
subject. Does it?
Either
we are New Creatures in Christ, alive to Him, dead to sin, and fully complete
in Him, or God is not true to His Word, or we are none of His:
“For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the
mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For
the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's
law; indeed, it cannot. Those
who are in the flesh cannot please God. You,
however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if
Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life
because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who
raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you” {Romans 8:7-11}.
The irony of the story is that if we are truly
dead with Christ, dead things do not care anymore about the things of this
world. All we should care about is how we please Him and serve others as Image
Bearers of the most High. This is easier said than done, but I promise you the
moment the believer knows that their broken cup of needs is transformed by the
renewing of their minds by Christ Jesus, their lives completely and radically
change. They stop looking inward and start looking outward as to how to be
pleasers and not takers. Then what happens? Most of the time their marriage
blossoms and God gives them the desires of their heart.
And what if their desires are never met? Then
they can chat about this in paradise with Abraham and ask him if God is true to
His word.
“Look around you,” Abraham will say. “For every
square inch I walked looking for the Promised land is filled with the New
Jerusalem. God may be slow in delivering on His promises, but he keeps true to
each and every single one of His Words.”
First things first
for those of us in Christ. All of our needs are met in Him, and from His full
and abundant reservoir of the Spirit outflows the fruit of love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control {Galatians 5:22-23}.
Tell me again, what were those
“needs” we were talking about? J Perspective rules the world and a perspective
based on God’s Word places us at the right hand of God in Christ Jesus where
all of our seeming needs no longer are necessary. For in that day, we live out
God’s reality with Him. Is this not what our faith is all about and what it is
pointing towards?
Cynthia Swenson · 549 weeks ago
Ken · 549 weeks ago
It is the truth that sets us free! Getting our hearts and minds set on God, His desires and His Word is the most freeing thing a believer could ever ask for in life. For God is the one who fills our inner most being to full and overflowing with joy, love and perhaps most of all peace.
Our problem is we want to please a dead flesh, a dead body of sin instead of allowing it to be buried with Christ. Hopefully more will come to study the truth of who they are in Christ Jesus and find the freedom they so long for from their own fleshly desires and ways. We have not arrived, but we know the truth, and now we must walk in it day by day, moment by moment.
momof9 · 549 weeks ago
Ken · 549 weeks ago
I am sorry to hear that your husband is not treating you kindly. When a husband is not as kind, caring, loving and treats you like the enemy, we must remember that the only person I can control is me, and my role is to shine Jesus in all that I do and say. I can make requests of my spouse, I can give them posts and articles to read, but ultimately, I can’t change someone who does not want to be changed, or cannot see the truth about their own behavior.
So first things first, we work on ourselves. We ask ourselves is there anything I am doing or not doing that can help this husband God has given me to see Jesus in me, and to begin to shine Jesus in his own life. In what areas of my life have I become disappointed or bitter because I saw so many things as needs from my husband, but in reality they were only desires that had I let them go, maybe my husband would not be pulling away as much as he is? What can “I” do to turn this marriage around with my godly behavior?
Your husband is fully responsible for his own behavior, and yet he may not be willing as of yet to accept his responsibility. So, for a husband like this you have the promise that you “may win him without a word” and you should follow this admonition, but I would not take it literally for all marriages. In other words, use some words as necessary to gain the attention and focus of a difficult spouse, but the attitude of “win him without a word” should always be the way of operating when trying to move a difficult husband forward.
If your husband is a Christian you can ask him if the two of you can begin to treat each other like Christians. I know of very few who claim the name of Christ who are unwilling to give this a try. Then you can ask him to focus on 2-3 areas that you would like to see more kindness. If he is open to talking about it, instead of blaming him, begin to paint a picture of what you think your marriage could look like if you both treated each other with kindness.
If he is not a Christian you can still appeal to common human decency. At some point, some of these basics need to be put in writing and the two of you sign it stating that there is a minimum expectation from a relationship to be treated with x, y, and z. If you cannot get a spouse to agree to the minimums, you will never see them move to the other necessary changes.
So in summary, we begin with the person we can control and that is me, and then we take Jesus to our difficult spouse and ask them if they want to be kind, gentle, loving, considerate, fun and enjoyable with you. If they say “no,” or grunt at us, we tell them, “Well God wants me to do my part even if you do not. I hope and pray that some day we can have the relationship you and I both want, and in the meantime, all I can do is work on me, and ask you to consider me as a “person” who deserves to see common human decency from my spouse.” Sometimes a nice emails outlining your case without blaming, but instead focusing on future behavior is a way to communicate your desires, then leave those desires to God to fill in and for you.
If you want to step out beyond “win him without a word” and go to things like boundaries and accountability, then you should at least take godly older women with you, or Christian counselor with you on this journey. God may bless some things done in the flesh to turn a difficult spouse around, but the model given by Jesus was be as a lamb before His enemies. This behavior we are told will ultimately win the whole world, but seek God’s will and follow what your counselors, using God’s Word tells you to do.
HisHelper · 549 weeks ago
Ken · 549 weeks ago
Some of this is a bit of a new perspective for us too. I know little about Paul Tripp's work but recently have had three different young people say they love his writings. It seems what he teaches are the conclusions Lori and I unfortunately had to figure out on our own. It is so much easier to just hear the truth and follow it rather than to learn by the "school of hard knocks." But some of us hard headed people have to experience the pain for ourselves :).
Shelley Payton · 549 weeks ago
Maria · 549 weeks ago
Desiring God by John Piper is another good book - gives me the godly perspective of desiring. Thank you for such a good post!
Ken · 549 weeks ago
I refer you to an interesting article on Focus on the family where they come right out and state in the title: Sex Is a Physical Need
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/marriage/sex_and_...
So I have to side with your husband on this one, but I would love to take him to coffee and find out why he would not pick up your precious baby when she is crying :{. Too many young husbands unfortunately do not bond as they should with their newborns, at least not the first one, but once they come to see the real precious gift God has given them as their baby turns 1-2, and the joy that they bring, the second, third and forth are often met with more "open arms" so to speak.
It is not possible to know the full story here, but I can say that if your two month old is like our first one, colicky and always crying, at some point in time all you can do is try to let them cry in peace and hope they fall asleep.
There generally is a quick cure for both sides of this equation. You acknowledge that your husband's sex drive is a need you were made to fulfill. If he had not married, or was still single or widowed he would have to allow the Lord to lessen this need or bring someone into his life who can fill it, but he is not. He has you. Tell him you really believe your baby needs him to hold her at least 20 minutes a day, or pick any number that is reasonable to you, and that you hope he will acknowledge this need just as you are acknowledging his need for sex.
This may not apply to your situation, and should never be in any marriage and family, but the lie he may be telling himself is that "this little thing is the reason I don't get my sexual desires/needs met the way I want them to, and now she is asking me to hold the screaming mimi without any consideration for my needs." Again, wrong thinking, but until you do your part first, then get into his head and find the lies he is telling himself, you have little hope of replacing his lies with a truth he will accept.
The truth is his baby does not need him to hold her because she has you, BUT he is the one missing out on the bonding that comes both ways when skin touches skin in the arms of a parent. He can never get these years back, nor will he be a husband who loves his wife sacrificially if he is unwilling to help with the babies. Keep expectations low, but keep your hopes up high :).
Shelley Payton · 549 weeks ago
You're probably absolutely right that he sees the baby as something that hinders his needs and then he's asked to hold the problem. I hadn't thought of it that way so thank you for that perspective! I'm sure you remember after having four children yourself that when the kids are young it can be so difficult to meet everyone's needs. It leaves you feeling spread so thin and often it's the spouse that gets the short end of the stick because the squeaky wheel gets the oil. But I hear what you're saying. Thanks for your reply and I hope my providing more detail painted my husband in a more accurate light. He's not a big jerk that hates babies! Haha. Like I said it's just hard for me as a mother to understand the lack of attachment... but he doesn't have the same hormones I do so I guess I can't expect it to be the same.
Lori Alexander 122p · 549 weeks ago
Ken · 549 weeks ago
I find it interesting how women can see so clearly the attachment they get from their hormones, especially the chemical release in their brains that comes from that "let down" feeling when they nurse, but they can't put two and two together to see that this is exactly what a husband longs for with his wife. A new nursing mom needs no sex because she is high on love chemicals rushing through her brain. Go hold the baby and get some more each time you do, or you nurse, and what does he get, crying. He cannot ever stop the crying by nursing :).
If you love nursing, which many women do, equate that with sex for men and many it helps bridge the gap in thinking. Two different sets of chemicals, but certainly both very powerful in creating the happy chemicals that every body needs to live a happy life. It is not the man's fault that the women gets to meet babies needs and husband's needs. The Bible says husbands are to meet the wife's needs for sex, but it doesn't say a word about a husband holding a baby. Instead God places huge surges of chemicals in the mom to do that, that a man does not get when he fulfills his responsibility to his child. It's not fair :). Kidding of course. Viva la Difference!
Cynthia · 549 weeks ago
Not only do the fathers benefit, but the babies do as well. When a child is emotionally attached to a parent, he or she will naturally want to please that parent and follow that parent's example.
I can also tell you that nothing is more sexy to a mom than a dad who is great with the baby! http://www.parentingscience.com/sexy-dads.html
God gave men this ability to have a surge of oxytocin too, and provided these hormones for total family bonding. One spinoff, though, is that God also made estrogen levels decrease during breastfeeding, which can made physical intimacy downright painful due to vaginal atrophy. I guess it's God's way of spacing out births so that the baby's food source isn't' threatened.
Bottom line: If he cuddles the baby, he'll feel great, baby will do great, and you will feel more attracted to him which will help counter-act your drop in estrogen.
Ken · 549 weeks ago
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/new-dad...
"Findings showed that oxytocin levels rose during play among both mothers and fathers, but that in mothers this happened only if they gave the babies a lot of loving physical contact. In contrast, the hormone level rose in fathers only if they supplied a stimulating touch that encouraged the infant to explore."
It does not come from Dad's holding the baby, but as might be suspected, instead it comes from Dad's playing with the baby and getting the baby to respond to stimuli and learning. Which may indeed prove why men bond much later with their babies because there is little to play with in the first few months, and nothing to play with in holding a screaming two month old.
Mom's still get the rush of Oxytocin that comes from nursing and holding, but men may not get this, unless perhaps they are skin to skin with the baby or playing around with the baby. Makes sense with boys/men being so activity driven.
A low libido in women can also come from her getting her happy feeling chemicals from the baby, so who needs sex. There was no comparison between sex and playing with any of my babies, who I loved dearly after the age of six months when they could play :).
Ken · 548 weeks ago
thejoyfilledwife · 549 weeks ago
Lori Alexander 122p · 549 weeks ago
KML · 549 weeks ago
So, if we classify sex as a physical need for a husband, can we also classify it as a physical need for a wife? (I realize the article sites the differences in testosterone, etc, so I understand that it might not be the same). But, in light of other posts, like the recent one where the wife would go into another room and exercise because her husband wasn't interested in sex, does that mean he isn't meeting her need? Or is it more of a desire in that instance?
Thanks so much. Just trying to work it all out in my head.
Ken · 549 weeks ago
The recent post you refer to was not in any way condoning the husband's selfishness. It was simply showing how a spouse tries to compensate to lessen the need perhaps when their sexual needs are not being fulfilled as God demands, and as generally promised in one's weddings vows. Maybe some vows need to add this detail, but all marriage vows imply that a spouse will meet this need.
As for desire, that can be discussed in looking at frequency of sex, and other things, but the actual physical release and the chemicals that come from it are very important to male and female and God designed marriage to be the way this need is met. The only real difference is usually in frequency.
Remember, the main reason that God gives both male and female a strong sex drive is because he wants us to have many godly offspring, who will be His children for eternity. He placed this need in us and in fulfilling the need we chemically bond to each other, much like a mom bonds to her baby when nursing. This regular bonding is vital to a healthy marriage.
KML · 549 weeks ago
Lady Virtue · 549 weeks ago
Ken · 549 weeks ago
As I said above, I do see sex as a need, but it cannot be classified as a life or death need, nor does defining it as a need define the frequency of the need. Much of the demand for the frequency can perhaps be classified as a desire. I wonder what frequency God has placed most men on, and if somehow a sample group of men could have sex on demand a poll could show what that would look like. Or do we recognize that the need is individually based?
The Apostle Paul makes it so simple. You don't get to decide when to have sex as your has authority over your body. We trust each spouse will be considerate of the needs and desires of spouse spouse, but if both spouses are set to please each other, pleasing each other takes very little time up in a whole week.
So little time and energy that it is embarrassing it seems to even have the discussion at times, because so much of the discussion centers around a lack of priorities and selfishness. If my spouse is my priority, I will find a way to meet their needs and most of their desires, not just in sex... in everything. But it is tough for some spouses, male or female to move beyond this basic need to a fulfilled marriage, without the need met, maybe because it proves that their spouse is being selfish if they acre consistently withholding sex, or using sex as a bargaining chip.