Tuesday, June 9, 2015

Fighting Over Pancakes?


"All couples are going to fight but it's the way you fight in determining if you're going to be successful in moving forward of not...Most of us are not equipped to fight fair," Pastor Craig Groeschel stated on Focus on the Family. He shared that his first big argument after being married was over pancakes. They both wanted them cooked a different way. The argument went on and on. However, did he mention the fact that God commands wives to be submissive to their husbands. NO! This argument would have never happened if his wife had been mentored by an older woman to love and obey her husband; even please him and defer to his wishes! She would have GLADLY made pancakes just the way he wanted them and there would have been NO argument. This is such an easy and simple solution! No, couples should NOT fight. There is not one verse in the Bible agreeing with his statement about learning to "fight fair." Couples, instead, need to be taught to NOT fight, wives to be submissive to their husbands and husband to be godly leaders of their homes.

Pastor Groeschel believes marriages are to make us holy and not happy. My mother-in-law gave me the advice that I was suppose to make Ken happy, NOT holy. In fact, the more I tried to make Ken holy, the more unhappy he became and the more I have tried to make him happy, the more holy he has become! I wasn't to be his Holy Spirit but instead called to live a godly and chaste life that would draw him closer to me; not nag and try to control him which pushed him farther away. I wish I had known what making him happy and submission looked like when we first got married!

The Pastor did have many great things to say. He was rebellious when he was young until the Lord got a hold of his life. He urged parents to teach purity to their children at a young age. Don't do married things before you are married! NO compromise before marriage. He admits that there needs to be boundaries and safeguards in marriages to prevent destruction. He has programs on his iPhone, iPad, and computer to be held accountable. {Accountable2You is a very good and inexpensive program.} He can't download apps now because of the programs but this is a very small price to pay to eliminate temptation and walk in holiness. He believes marriages need to be very open with their spouses about their struggles and hold each other accountable which we heartily agree with! He also warned us that many of the things we see on TV are "poison." Amen!

The host asked why the church looks like the world? I believe the reason is that we are entertained by what the world is entertained by. We aren't in the Word daily and renewing our mind with God's Truth. We shouldn't be teaching couples how to fight fairly but to not fight at all and allow husbands to be the leaders of the home. We should dress modestly outwards and inwardly with a meek and quiet spirit. If Christians would rise up and walk in holiness by God's grace, the world would see that being a Christian is a whole lot better than living without Jesus.

Let NOTHING be done through strife or vainglory;
 but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Philippians 2:3

***Emphasis mine! If you don't believe in biblical submission, then hopefully, you will believe and live out this verse towards your precious husband.

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Thank you for this post. I listened to the focus on the family podcast when it first aired and being confused with the fighting fair concept. What it looks like to be a submissive wife is still fairly new to me, but I am trying. My husband is wonderful and I want to make him happy. However I am torn when it comes to having more children. We have four and my husband had a vasectomy 6 years ago. I want so badly to have another child, but he does not feel the same way. He will not have the vasectomy reversed but is open to adoption. After reading your article I fear that he is willing to adopt in part just to make me happy. Do i just ignore my desire for more kids instead to make him happy? He feels content with our family size now.
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Birth control is a sin and is clearly stated as such in the Bible. If my husband had a vasectomy, I would be required by the tenets of my religion to live as his sister until he reversed it. One of the most heinous sins of the age was the tacit nod given to birth control by the Episcopal Church at the Lambeth Conference in the 1930's, which made a practice that formerly had been considered abominable now acceptable to churchgoing people. Nobody seems to want to admit that as soon as it was approved, we were led down the slippery slope to the Pill and legalized abortion. Even in the midst of all the admonitions to be submissive to one's husband, there is a lack of submission to God in the fact that He created sex and He created the laws that surround it.

When there was a time in which it would have been imprudent to have children, we abstained; lived as brother and sister, until such time as my health issues cleared up. Men have done this for centuries and to imply that they cannot control themselves is very demeaning to all the men who have unselfishly and nobly controlled themselves for the sake of others throughout the centuries (yes, there were those who were unfaithful, but generally this was because they did not correspond to the graces which God made available to them, or outright rejected them).
6 replies · active 511 weeks ago
Actually, marriage is supposed to make us holy. That is the whole point. The focus on being happy is what has led to what we have today....massive divorce and people complaining they are not "happy". God never promised any of us happiness in this world, only in the next. Our job isn't to make people happy. When I focused on making my husband happy, things only got bad in our marriage. I am a bit bemused by all these people saying that our job is to make our husbands happy. When I did this, it spelled disaster. I plunged headlong into depression, my husband was irritated, and my health deteriorated from my neglect of my own needs; in fact, it deteriorated to a point of desperation. My entire life revolved around my husband and catering to his needs and wants. I would get up early to cook a full breakfast for him, I would rise early to be sure all our children were ready for church on time, and then if we didn't get there on time (nursing baby, feeding all the little ones, etc.), I would hang my head meekly and take it when scolded for not being on time after all.

I plunged into depression, my health rapidly went downhill, and my husband became more and more angry with me. Finally I sought counseling for severe depression, where I learned that I needed to take care of myself first, and that sometimes others needed to sacrifice for me, too. That, in fact, to not ever allow my husband to do a little sacrificing for me was robbing him of a chance to practice virtue. It was also setting a bad example to my children, that their mother was a doormat who could easily be dismissed. They would not honor a mother who was a doormat and my sons would grow up learning that they could treat a woman with indifference.

While a majority of your readers and I believe you yourself would say that this advice was feminist, it turned out to be the saving of me, my marriage and my homeschooling. The children had learned that Mom could be ignored because obviously Dad could scold her and she'd hang her head meekly and do whatever he said without a peep; so they did that. They ignored me. My oldest son, in fact, began to imitate Dad when Dad would yell and scold me. It was a REAL problem.
5 replies · active 511 weeks ago
Thank you for this. I wish I had a godly submissive woman role model to teach me early on in my marriage and even prior to being married what a true biblical help meet looked and acted like. So many of my role models did the route of trying to make their husbands holy instead of happy. Sadly, I followed their lead. Thankful my husband is a godly man with a loving heart and willing to forgive. I want to live the rest of my life glorifying God by being the help meet to my husband that He created me to be..... "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." ... Hhmm.... I don't see fighting (even fighting "fairly") with my husband there anywhere. If it doesn't come from the Spirit, shouldn't we ask just where it does come from?
1 reply · active 511 weeks ago
Isn't that so true that some of marriage's biggest fights start over pancakes or something so ridiculously similiar. I've been married and when we have had some of our worst moments and fights they have started over something ridiculous and has been blown way out of proportion. But pancakes isn't the issue; it our selfish sinful hearts and one's pride that causes the fights. If we, as Lori mentioned, were grounded in the word daily, we are reminded of how we are suppose to behave. Without us even realizing it, deep seeded roots of rebellion could be locked inside us and if we are not grounded in the ,Word then more problems arise.

Lori, let me give this example and we can use pancakes:
Husband wants them cooked a certain way, wife says ok and cooks them that way with a smile but inside she is saying and feeling what a jerk and maybe she will
be harbouring some resentment which may come out at a later time in another situation

So being grounded in the Word daily helps for times when you deny yourself for your husband and genuinely want to please him through actions and thoughts.
Just my thought anyway.

This is such a great article because i think we have all had the pancake situation at one time or another!!!!
1 reply · active 511 weeks ago
Great article Lori, we tend to argue about such silly little things don't we? I would cooked my husbands pancakes just the way he likes them, then cooked mine the way I like them. Not worth fighting over. Now I'm craving pancakes! Lol.
1 reply · active 511 weeks ago
Wonderful post! I enjoyed and ageed with what you had to say. I have one question for you that is off topic. Did you happen to watch the Duggar family interviews? Both the one with the parents and the one with jill and jessa. If so, what did you think of them? I have appreciated what you have had to say about this great family during this difficult time. Blessings!
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Lady Virtue · 511 weeks ago

My marriage has certainly been a tool used of God to sanctify me and make me holy, and, as my husband can attest, the Lord is not through with me yet! My husband and I have been blessed with some happy times in this process, also. Happiness can be a part of marriage, if God is gracious, but it is not the main thing.

I've heard people talk about "fighting fair" before but cannot find any Scriptural backing for it. It seems more psychological than Biblical.
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I might could see a "little" argument over pancakes, but a couple's first big one!? It seems a bit immature on both people. There are some things I cook to my husband's preference, some things to mine, and a few things I will cook both ways if neither one of likes the other way at all. (Which is rare. We are both fairly accommodating and agreeable about foods.) We sure do not fight over how to cook it though!
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My husband and I do believe that marriage is to make us holy and not happy. However, that does not mean we fight or try to make the other un-happy. On the contrary, we seek to make each other happy, but in the process of each sacrificing for the other and working though daily issues, it will make us more selfless and more holy.
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