Saturday, December 12, 2015

Picking and Choosing What to Obey

There is a great apostasy going on in the Church away from the Truth of God’s Word and into a free-for-all of picking and choosing what Bible verses to obey and even twisting them to mean something entirely different than their true meaning. It’s taking a heavy toll upon our culture, especially in regards to the breakdown of the family. Take for instance a discussion I had with a woman on Facebook about submission.

Here is one woman's encouraging comment from one of my posts that I wrote on my Facebook page: "Think of it as an investment into a long, happy, JOYFUL marriage! Trust me, my marriage and life are so much happier now that I have a new perspective and I can honestly say it is an honor to submit. That's something the world won't tell you; they WANT you to believe you will be a doormat but for our family, it made our home peaceful, joyful, fun and a happy place to be when I started submitting. And I can tell when I am being rebellious as well, because there just isn't that peaceful vibe in our home."

Woman on Facebook:
 After 36 years of marriage, I do agree with this BUT the submission must come from BOTH.

Me: There is not one verse in the whole Bible that commands husbands to submit to their wives. Marriage is an example of Christ and the church. The church submits to Christ as the wife submits to her husband. “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything" {Ephesians 5:22-24}. There must be an authority structure in every single institution on earth and marriage is no different. Besides wives submitting to their husbands, in Titus 2:3-5 older women are commanded to teach women to obey their husbands!

Woman: I don’t agree. Marriage is 100% on both sides. I have seen marriages where the husband or wife are the “head of the house.” It doesn’t work. There is not peace. I do believe they BOTH need to submit to Christ.

Me: Yes, they are both supposed to submit to Christ but Christ calls the husband to be the head of the wife and the wife to submit to her husband. Please read your Bible rather than listen to the lies of our culture and maybe even your church. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be
perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" {2 Timothy 3:15, 16}.

Women: I read my Bible. I also believe the Bible is subject to translation and interpretation. Also, it was written by God through humans. And I also remember distinctly my wedding vows where we BOTH committed to being ONE in Christ and our marriage. I respect your opinion in this. That is why we live in this great country. I don’t have to agree with you or everything I read in the Bible. My family foundation is in Christ. When judgement day comes I am confident the Good Lord with make that judgement as HE sees fit.

Me:
 I just want to warn you that it’s a very slippery slope away from Truth that you are on if you decide what to obey and what not to obey in God’s Word. If ye love me, keep my commandments {John 14:15}.

Picking and choosing what you want to obey and not to obey is dangerous. It is deciding that you are going to be god in your life rather than allowing God Almighty to be your God. Usually when you begin making the rules in your life, you begin a slippery slope into becoming lukewarm which the Lord hates. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. {Revelation 3:16}. What He wants from us is loving Him, loving others and obeying Him; not deciding what to obey Him in. Please don't be your own god, women. Allow God to be your God and begin today to choose to obey ALL that He asks of you.

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3, 4

***If you didn’t see Dolly Parton's Coat of Many Colors on NBC Thursday night, please try to watch it; a stay-at-home godly mother teaching her eight children about the Lord and winning her unbelieving husband to Jesus by her godly life! They aren’t rich in money but they are rich in faith, children and love. Now, this is my kind of movie!!! Click the link to watch it and have your children watch it with you. They will LOVE it!

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Great post Lori. That is why we must listen to pastors who teach us verse by verse or expository. John MacArthur comes to mind. I know my pastor teaches this way. That way, we are not going to pick and choose what we like. We must take it in the context it is written. You are right on with this post.
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Excellent post! I will say when I am a submissive wife everyone in the family is happy. When I nag or complain or try to get my way it not only irritates my husband but our children see it. God's order is best. By letting my husband lead, his decisions always end up being the better ones. Why? Because he doesn't base his decisions off of emotions like I do. That doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion. He has the ultimate say and there is always peace. God knew exactly what He was doing in His perfect design. Thank you for speaking truth!
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Lori, what advice would you give a woman whose husband doesn't WANT a submissive wife? My husband doesn't seem to want me to submit to him. He'd prefer to solve disagreements with equal input from both of us and long (really long) discussions, and decide things in an impartial way when an agreement can't be made. I think it's because that's the kind of household he was raised in, but I know it isn't what God commands for us. What should I do? Am I, in a way, still submitting to him by solving disagreements the way he wants instead of the way I want?
3 replies · active 485 weeks ago
The whole of scriptures tells a complete story. Apparently a lot of people read it piecemeal without seeing the complete thread that goes throughout it. If one did, it would be extremely clear what creation and order have to do with the relationships God set up on His Earth. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." It is this woman's generation that have fed a lot of lies to the generation that has come after them. A lot of prideful feminism lies. I am so thankful for you Lori, seeing through the lies and not going with the flow and humbly teaching us younger generation.
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
"I also believe the Bible is subject to translation and interpretation. Also, it was written by God through humans. "

This woman is deceived. Too many people think they can ignore parts of the Bible they don't agree with because it might have been erroneously translated or written down wrong by humans. This is a dangerous belief, but also a false one.

We have the tools to evaluate the translation and look at the original text to see how accurate it is. Every major translation says that women are to submit to their husbands. If someone isn't sure what the original sense of the text is, they should get a concordance and Bible dictionary and look it up. But it's actually quite clear and there is no room for mistranslation on this topic.

As for the idea that humans may have written down God's instructions incorrectly, by that logic, we could never believe anything in the Bible. It might have been written down wrong that Jesus rose from the dead or that adultery is wrong or that God created the world. If you're going to say some parts might not be accurate, you call all of it into question.

Either the Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of God that we must use as the authority in our lives, or we're just making it all up as we go along, according to our own desires and preferences. Pick one and stick with it. But don't pretend to be Christian if you live according to your own desires instead of the word of God.
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Lori

Such a true post, so easy to put a step on the slippery slope believing that for example things in the bible were only applicable to the culture then etc etc. I was listening to Voddie Baucham talking about this very thing. Thank you for this post Lori, very convicting!.
Blessings
Helen UK
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Sadly, this wife's erroneous talking points really all boil down to her most telling statement of all: She doesn't believe God's Word.

One of her arguments is that she has seen both husband - led and wife - led marriages and "neither of them work". The fact that she even compares the two tells you the rebellion that has infiltrated her heart. First off, I have known so few husband - led marriages in my life (maybe less than 5%) and, among those 5%, maybe 2% of them have a wife who truly submits right away, rather than the other 3% who eventually gets around to it after much argument because their husband is godly enough to put his foot down and lead regardless. The "husband led" marriages she said she has seen that are not peaceful are most probably the result of a wife who is seething behind the scenes, even though she keeps quiet. (That is not submission, by the way)

The few wives I know who TRULY submit to their husbands with a joyful heart reap the harvest of a joyful home. If there is no joy or peace, it's almost always because there is rebellion in the heart.
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Hello Lori, I enjoyed this post very much. It is so refreshing to hear truth from God's word, as it is so contrary to what society teaches us.

I did happen to watch the Dolly Parton's movie, and while I liked it, I did wonder about a couple of things. She did not have a good attitude or good behavior as a child, and it seemed that she was not really disciplined by her parents. It seemed that the father wanted to, but the mother would not let him (the father even mentioned this.) Also, it seems that Dolly's mother submitted more to her father than to her husband. I Noticed that she often complained to him about not attending church instead of "winning him without a word" maybe I'm reading too much into this? What are your thoughts?
1 reply · active 484 weeks ago
Great post Lori,
To me it's almost as bad as saying, 'we should have an open mind'. To have an open mind is to leave you raw and exposed to all manner of deceptive teachings. God designed a way for scripture to be interpreted, and that is to compare scripture with scripture. There is no other way. And while yes, while scripture may of been written down by man, those men were fully submitted to God and obedient. They never questioned what God told them to write. Or said ' but I interpret it this way' they wrote down EXACTLY what they were told.

And a husband led family DOES work. It is Gods design. The bible gives us many examples of men who 'submitted' to their wife. Adam, Abraham, Ahab etc. and um well, it never worked out. It's more than likely she has a wrong view on submission and tried to do it in her own strength and when it got too hard, she gave up. Or her husband just learned not to fight her and give In to her demands.if anything this wife comes across prideful and defensive, because she feels threatened by the truth of Scripture. I'm so glad we know the truth!
1 reply · active 485 weeks ago
Lori and Ken,

I hope you get this. Look up John Macarthur, mutual submission in marriage, scroll down to C.- Submission explained. He not only says submission is not in the original (it is), but then says women get the "brunt" of unfairness (they don't) as then he says husbands are to submit to their wives like Christ did to the church by dying on the cross. He says this is ultimate submission.... No, that is described as love not submission!!!!

I just want you to be aware. John M has great teaching but use discernment. It is the subtleness of what he says that can give a wife ammunition in the home. He also states the verse for the wife to submit is probably posted in the home and men grab their wives and try to force them to submit.

That is actually the opposite of what we see. Men are not leading and women are the ones in homes forcing husbands to submit..:

God bless you. I love your blog and hope even if you dont post this that you will read JM teaching and see his error and be aware yourselves.
2 replies · active 484 weeks ago
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Daddy's Girl · 484 weeks ago

Lori, I had this discussion once before. After posting the 'submission' topic, someone responded in the same manner as the one person that you highlighted. My response was that someone had to lead and I was glad that it wasn't me! I also provided scriptures to back up what I said. It's sad to see that wives somehow think that they are doormats if they submit to their husbands. It sad that even some Christian women in the church feel that they are equal to their husband. Lori may God bless you 100 fold because your mentorship is so rare. I don't know about any of your other guests but I haven't had this type of wisdom in my life and I'm going on 15 years of marriage. God has truly kept me and my husband. I thank God for you!!

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