Sunday, July 22, 2012

Confronting Other's Sins


We were asked what we would do if our husbands watch R-rated movies with sex scenes in them.  I answered we should pray for our husband that God would convict him of his sin but nagging and complaining about it will accomplish nothing.  Another reader wrote the following comment ~

There’s a Biblical process to follow. (Matthew 18, start with verse 15.) You respectfully confront him yourself. If he doesn’t listen, you bring someone else with you. It’s NOT loving to let someone continue in sin, unconfronted. If he doesn’t repent (as the confrontation escalates) you all treat him as an unbeliever. That doesn’t mean hateful, or disdainful, but as someone who is lost and far from God.

I was wondering if she would give the same advice to a husband who wrote that his wife was not submissive to him.  Would she tell him to go through the same Matthew 18 process with his wife?  I think not.

The Matthew 18 process needs to be used very carefully.  We all struggle with sins or have areas in our lives that we are not convicted about.  Some Christians do not believe it is sin to see R-rated movies.  I have for a long time so it would be sin for me to see most R-rated movies. {I try not to be too legalistic about this, however, because some R-rated movies have no sex scenes or nudity in them.}

Many new {and old} believers don't see this as sin.  As one grows in their faith, they become more and more convicted of sin in their lives.  But to use this process on a husband one disagrees with seems far from its intent.

If a husband is having an affair, this process would be a good one to use.  But we must be very careful in judging other's sins when most of us struggle with our own.  I doubt anyone would advise using this process on the many women who are unsbumissive to their husbands and don't obey them in everything!

You must clearly state your convictions to your husband, once, but then you must leave it in the Lord's hands to convict your husband.  The Lord does a much better job of changing and convicting others than we do, especially our husbands.  We may win our husbands without a word as they watch us live a godly life.  This is the promise we have from God.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Matthew 7:1-5


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I agree with the writer of this letter to you. I was actually in a similar situation in my own marriage. My husband had a deeper problem with lust and pornography that exercised itself in a "respectable" manner before myself and others by indulging in films he knew would have nudity and sex in them. I had my suspicions, but didn't know what to do. I sort of confronted him a little jokingly, but was afraid I shouldn't really, and I prayed for him, fearful that he wasn't even saved at all. I wish I had known more in regards to confronting our brothers and sisters in Christ in love. God saved my husband and has since redeemed my marriage for His glory.
Would my husband have been angry with me if I had really confronted him and went the route of Matthew 18 when he wasn't a believer? I'm sure he would have, but maybe it would have exposed to him the fact that he wasn't saved sooner, and he would have had the body of Christ to help him and disciple him when he did get saved. Now that he is a believer, he wants me and others to confront his sins and hold him accountable. This is exactly what Matthew 18 says will happen. If someone is a believer they will, at some point, repent and desire to be held accountable for sin by the body of Christ, because He has given them a "new heart with new desires" and they will love Christ and seek His glory above their sins.
As to your argument that this would be different in the case of adultery, please know that is not what God's word says in Matthew 5:27-28, Jesus says: ""You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." God's standard is so much higher than our own. He says that lust in our hearts is the same as committing adultery.
Also, Matthew 7 does not make Matthew 18 null and void. Both are true. Matthew 7:1-5 is talking about hypocrisy, not about never calling evil/sin what it is, evil/sin. Matthew 18 is a guide for believers to administer church discipline as well as how we are to deal with each other in love. It is not judging to call something sin when God has already decreed it to be sin. It is simply speaking the truth in love. It would be much less loving, even if the other party becomes furious, to never call sin sin, not to mention this would be deceitful on our part and violates 1 Corinthians 13:6 "it [love} does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth." Confronting sin does not need to be nagging for sure, but if you truly care about someone, you should be so grieved over their sin that you have to tell them with love and care for their souls. My husband would tell you that he was not saved when he was in the midst of his sins, but he had no idea at the time. I think it might have really touched him to see me and others full of grief for his soul.
Matthew 18 is a loving way for us to see our brethren restored and for unbelievers to be convicted of their sins and hopefully be saved. It does tell us to only confront them once and then to bring another, and only if they do not repent, then to go to the elders if they still do not repent, and finally to the body if they still refuse to repent. This is a long and heartbreaking process for all involved, and the whole point is not to treat them with reproach over their sins, but to point them to Christ's redeeming grace and forgiveness, that they may repent and their fellowship with the Lord be renewed or that an unbeliever would be convicted and saved. The last and final step in Matthew 18 is to turn them out of the body, but only after every other avenue and chance for them to repent has been given.
I didn't write this to condemn you, nor to make you even feel bad, but to tell you that I do love you as a sister in Christ, and don't want you or anyone to advise others against any part of Scripture being exactly our guide for practice and life. It is dangerous to use Matthew 7 as an argument, because, and I'm sure you didn't mean to do this, but when you said that the person who wrote this letter to you wouldn't want Matthew 18 applied to a wife who isn't submissive to their husband, you were in fact making a judgement that wasn't apparent from their letter to you. Not being a hypocrite doesn't mean we never sin, it just means that we always keep in mind how sinful we are in light of the gospel of Jesus Christ whatever we are doing, including when we lovingly confront the sin in others.
I assure you again, I love you, and this is not meant at all to belittle what you have written or to act like I know more. I promise I am so sinful continually and have so much to learn, but I have learned by the grace of God and His Holy Spirit that we cannot take one part of the Word of God and not the rest. We have to stand on the inerrancy, literal reality, and sufficiency of all the Word of God, every line, every phrase, every letter (2 Timothy 3:16).
I hope you do not take this the wrong way, nor see me as a younger woman trying to be uppity in the comments section. I assure you, that is not my heart in this matter. I know that it is often very hard to discern the true intent of words typed without being able to see or know the person typing. I simply long to rejoice in the great wisdom and mercy God has shown us both in the giving of His Word and the grace and love that sent Jesus to the cross in our place and raised Him from the dead that we might have eternal life through Him. Love in Christ, dear sister, and may He ever bless you and your family and make you always to the praise and glory of his grace!
Please know that it will not offend me in any way if you keep this long-winded response out of the publicly viewed comment section, and if I'd thought about it a few seconds longer before I clicked submit, I might have had to wisdom to look for an email address to contact you instead of putting it all here. I pray you use your own discretion in this matter, and whatever would be most pleasing to you be done. Love in Christ!
This is the verse that I use to support what I wrote ~

In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives. I Peter 3:1
I support what you wrote fully. God developed hundreds of laws to keep His people pure in Old Testament times, yet it was the pharisees- the legalistic, holier-than-thou, judges- that Christ arguably had the most problem with. God created guidelines for our own good, and yes there is a time to confront someone with their sin, but I know that with me, 9 times out of 10 I need to first remove the plank from my own eye so that I can see clearly before I try to guide my brother or sister in Christ. If we all spent a little more time examining, confronting and asking forgiveness for our own sins, perhaps we wouldn't be so focused on the sins of others and we would be able to extend a little more grace.

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