As I wrote about yesterday, a woman's battle is with her trying to control her husband. Ken commented on my post from last week the following about this issue when asked how I tried controlling him in regards to eating ~
Lori was raised to eat organic, eat lots of fruits and vegies, and avoid all preservatives. Then she married a junk food junkie who would have been happy with a salad a week, steak and potatoes, pizza and a Big Mac for all dinners. So the clash over food was inevitable, but it went from many discussions to an attempt to control after we got marriage.
I now eat a steady diet of a huge organic salad with chicken on top almost every day when at home and have given up 90% of the sugary foods I once loved eating since I found organic cocoa protein shakes with banana and stevia. To me, it tastes like ice cream. If Lori had her way, I would be eating 50% less shakes and more "real food" but we no longer clash over it, and I no longer feel guilty. Health is important and one has to find balance to live life well.
The main issue I got from Lori's desire to control is that I rarely was able to feel good in my own skin, or my own home. I could always read her disappointment with me on her face and lips. I am sure it is subconscious for most men and women that when their spouse does not act or do what they think is right they consciously or subconsciously punish them with their mood. It doesn't have to be a mean mood to punish. Just not smiling or as joyful as much, or a frown, or a stare in the other direction and your spouse gets the point.
"I am not happy with you right now, so I can't be warm and joyful around you. Look what you do to me when you behave in a way that I do not like. You make me feel badly and it hurts our relationship."
I am sure this is how many spouses feel when they put on their moods or give out snide remarks. "It's your fault that YOU are making me feel this way and I'm no longer in a good mood. How do you expect me to give you great sex if you keep doing this to me?"
What most people do not know until they grow up, {and yes, most men and women have still not grown up}, is that the only person you can control is yourself. Not only can't you control another person, it almost always backfires in ways that you might never suspect. Even if you get your way you do not win the husband over, because he may capitulate to your ways, but his spirit is not in communion with you. You have won the battle but are losing the relationship you really want to have. You keep asking, as Lori did for many years, "Why can't we have an intimate relationship!?!"
I have always been 100% committed to our marriage with a strong desire for true heartfelt intimacy with my wife. But what I have discovered is that the more I would move her way in doing things, the more the target would move to a higher level of needs, desires, feelings and control. It got to a point where I realized I cannot please this women by living life her way. It was not until I threw off the shackles of trying to please my wife, and instead began to tell her "no" I am going to go play golf now... or "no" I am going to eat this burger now, that I began to feel good about my life and stop walking on eggshells in my own home. To realize that I cannot control her, and if she wants to be upset over a burger, then so be it. Let it not rob my joy.
The interesting thing I have seen is that true intimacy cannot flourish apart from vulnerability, and vulnerably is the opposite of control. It is when we give up control to our heavenly Father and rest on His desires in our life that we draw near to him, and trust Him, and walk by faith in the Spirit. When we try to control our own lives and the people around us what we are really doing is say I lack faith in you, both your spouse and God.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying never have any boundaries, or set any boundaries with your spouse as one big blog is advocating today. No, there are times, but should be very few in a Christian marriage, when a spouse can and should set boundaries, but almost all of these should be related to abuse or sin, not ordinary life. If your spouse is involved in something abusive, only then should protections go up, and a realization that with every boundary comes less of a chance of winning your spouse back, or finding true intimacy.
Just remember that control always requires more control to stay in control, and the one you are controlling may behave more like you want them to, but will give less and less of their heart away to you. Why? Because love is a choice and if I do something for my wife because of her mood and control, we both lose out on the opportunity toward true intimacy. I know how she feels and thinks after the second or third time she has said it. To go beyond that is to try to get her way, to manipulate, to control.
What most wives do not understand is what they long for most is intimacy, and yet they go about the opposite way with control instead of vulnerability. Giving yourself over to your spouse to allow him to lead you places the responsibility where it belongs, takes the burden off his shoulders that he always has to please or he is going to pay for it with an unhappy wife, and puts the responsibility of love on his shoulders to realize that this joyful, smiling, content, vulnerable wife of his is his responsibility to both lead and love as Christ loves the church.
The sins of the garden are many in the one act of eating the apple and these sins play themselves out over and over again in far too many Christian marriages. The main sin was selfishness and wanting to be in control over what God had clearly spoken. Eve usurps Adam's authority, Adam usurps God's authority, and all of mankind is plunged into a vicious cycle of sin, wanting to be in control. True faith and intimacy go hand in hand for both your relationship with your spouse and our God. The more you try to control either one of them the further intimacy is pushed away, all because of a lack of trust.
If you don't love me enough to trust me and to let me live my own life, then do you really love me? Or do you simply love yourself more and want to protect that love of self by using control? Selfishness is self seeking and love seeks the best interest of another in good times and in bad, and until death do us part.
Love...does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own,
is not easily provoked, thinks no evil.
I Corinthians 13:5
Kathy · 557 weeks ago
I'm the one that struggles with the control time and time again. I need to read things like this over and over because I still don't do it right at times. I am able to recognize it better now and go to him and make my apologies.
Every word and advice is spot on if wife's are really going to have the intimacy they want. It's in their hands, and believe me it's a battle against satan himself.
I just never got it in my first marriage. Thank God I have people in my life now, including you two, my current husband, and my counselor that are helping me see the error in my ways.
Praise be to God!
Anonymous · 557 weeks ago
Lady Virtue · 557 weeks ago
kaygarland 20p · 557 weeks ago
I think this goes both ways and can be abused by both wives and husbands. Any partner who feels they must live walking on eggshells should examine to see if they are in an abusive relationship. Not all abuse is physical, it can be abusive and emotional.
I would also suggest that frankly, instead of worrying about if your husband will treat you well or if he will "not put up with your antics" and raising your daughters to marry a man who won't put up with antics, perhaps raise your daughters not to view "antics" as a part of an adult person's life.
Shelley Payton · 557 weeks ago
So that how men feel when someone tries to control them, makes sense. But women are supposed to feel what, joyful? For example, with the sex issue and wives should have sex with their husbands whenever THEY desire it... well I can be obedient I guess but my heart is going to feel unloved and even resentful. It's not ok for men to feel this way but wives just have to deal with it?
Shelley Payton · 557 weeks ago
blskas76 4p · 557 weeks ago
veronicasthoughts 15p · 557 weeks ago
Upon Lori's suggestion, I am commenting today. :) I used to just lurk a lot. :)
Control is an illusion. A false sense of security. "I am in control of the situation" makes us women feel that things are under control when it's just about bursting at the seams, or just ironed out superficially but is really all crumpled underneath.But we feel good by these appearances. Women, I believe, are by nature, vain and wont to love the facade of 'perfection'.
To control one's husband is to put one's self on a higher ground, which breeds disrespect towards the supposed head of the family. If the man allows this for too long, he risks being emasculated and will further be disrespected by his wife. If he does not allow for it to happen by putting his foot down, the wife will do either one of two things - put up a fight and a power struggle ensues, or gives in and gives way.
What a biblical marriage is about is to let go of this natural desire to control and to let God take control. Ultimately, (and I only realized this when I did finally let go and let God in September 1, 2013, the start of my respect and submission journey) to let go and to trust in the headship of my husband, was to let God manifest His Will for me and our family, without my interference. God was/is/forever will be IN CONTROL. I am not. Trusting in my husband's leadership no matter how flawed a human being he may be, was ultimately, trusting in our Sovereign God.
These two are so tied up -- trust in husband and trust in God -- that it's so liberating to realize once you do "get it". :) I trust in God first and foremost, that is why,I am trusting my husband too. I love God first and foremost, that is why, I have unlimited love for my husband too. I let God rule my life, that is why I have now no problems following my husband's leadership.
For a marriage to thrive, there must really be a dying to self. For a marriage to produce a ONE FLESH result, as a wife, I must with love and obedience, accept my role as help meet. If I grapple with the concept and think of it as a lesser role, I will never experience true joy and peace. If I accept it and consider it God's Wisdom to protect me and provide for me, I experience freedom and peace.
Let go and let God. It's a daily mantra of mine. I too have to combat the natural desire of the flesh to control, but with Christ, I can do everything -- even the "unnatural", which is to acquiesce to my husband's leadership because if one is in Christ, the old is gone and the new has come! :) Thanks be to God! I would rather die than to go back to my former controlling, bitter, resentful, eternally worried self.
In Christ,
Nikka
Ken · 557 weeks ago
In an egalitarian marriage both spouses tend to work to the middle, share with taking "turns" and try to be 'fair with the other." Often, but not always, an egalitarian marriage means that the wife works outside the home because she should be fair about bringing in a certain amount of the financial resources, and the husband may try to do extra house work, recognizing that his wife works too. Egalitarian really means fairness, and fairness often means keeping things as equally shared as possible. Certainly respect is equal, and especially respect for the other persons boundaries.
Egalitarian marriage in my mind is an attempt to have a great marriage through true partnership splitting as much as possible equally, especially the burdens of work and family. You say this is "mutual respect" and I get that. There are many terrific egalitarian marriages out there and that is what most Pastors and churches are teaching today.
Did I get most of what an egalitarian marriage is all about?
I believe that my only reference to an egalitarian marriage is when I say in my comment to Kathy: "Some might ask why it needs to be a Biblical marriage if an egalitarian marriage works?" It was not in reference to a wife being controlling.
There are many things I may do in my life that work well for me, but they do not include God, nor does it include doing things God’s ways. We can take God and His ways out of most things that are good and lead very successful lives. This is the biggest problem we have in evangelism today. Who needs God when we have doctors and financial planners, and vitamins and trainers. We can be our own God’s for 80 years or more I we just catch a break with our genes.
I see the same flaw in an the egalitarian marriage in that you can arrive at a good marriage, maybe ever a great marriage, but you lose out on all the great things God had in store for your marriage if the couple had just sold out for doing marriage God’s way, according to His Word
Ken · 557 weeks ago
Does His Word call on husbands to be loving leaders? Does it call on wives to be respectful and submissive? You bet. There is no way around seeing clearly what God asks of a marriage, but what some Christians are doing is to excuse God’s clear teaching on what He knows is best for a marriage for something that is utilitarian and works.
Hey, I can lead a fabulous life based on the values and ideals of God’s Word and never know the Lord Jesus personally. Many Christians do just that today, and many churches are filed with good principled people all picking and choosing what is best for them, what works, what gives them success. At times I want God’s blessings and His principles, but only as far as they give me a utility to rule my own life. That is not what God wants from me, a comfortable and successful life. What He wants from me is all of me, sold out to do His will in such a way that He can walk with me in my life day by day.
An egalitarian marriage says to God, “Your ways are not best, but thank you very much we found a better way that works for us. Now as long as this works for us God, why do you need to get involved?
And God says, “No, I designed marriage because I know what is best for you, and I know that I can personally shine in a marriage where the husband is a loving leader who purposefully leads his submissive, respectful and joyful wife and family. This is the design I want the world to see of Christians. Let the non-believers find success in marriage done well, but man’s ways. I haves something far greater in store for you in this life and the next.”
God always has his reasons, and I can only speak from my own experience and that of hundreds of people who email Lori regularly to say how when going back to God’s ways their marriages have been radically transformed. Some are still married to unbelievers, yet they have transformed marr8igaes as the wife sanctifies her husband.
We are not against an egalitarian model, but we believe it to be second best, and outside of God’s clear teaching on the subject. We don’t judge those who disagree as we too are on a journey and know how wrong we were in the past. We invite all believers to jump into the water of husband leadership and wifely submission and see if it is not by far a much superior model as it answers the lingering questions that an egalitarian marriage cannot. It rights the wrongs of the garden, and it becomes the conduit from which Christ can lead His church, as husband leads his wife, and as parents lead their children.
The more I study this issue of marriage, the more I am seeing that God had a very simple prescription for how to keep a marriage humming and every other model of marriage is far inferior in what it can do to create bonds of vulnerability, trust and deep connections. You don’t have to agree with me. I am just expressing my thoughts and experiences, and especially standing firm on what the Bible teaches.
I believe a Biblical marriage to be a much better model. You can still love God and be great Christians without a husband’s leadership or wife’s submission. But if we want God’s best for our marriages we have to begin to explore what a Biblical marriage looks like and see the many benefits it has to offer. None the least is that God is pleased with our faithfulness to His Word, even when the world tells us there is a better way. Doesn’t the world beacon us to a better way in almost all things? Yet we as believers must stand on His truth as that is what makes us Believers. Only then can we experience the fullness of His blessings in our lives.
Kim · 557 weeks ago
I have a family members divorcing. The husband tells us how the wife control money, to the point that he was barred access to the checkbook. I chuckled as our lives as opposite. I joked how I spent years trying to get him to look at the checkbook, and when I took it away, he finally embraced budgeting.
elovesc33 14p · 556 weeks ago
I would like to ask, when you got to this point :
"I realized I cannot please this women by living life her way. It was not until I threw off the shackles of trying to please my wife, and instead began to tell her "no" I am going to go play golf now... or "no" I am going to eat this burger now, that I began to feel good about my life and stop walking on eggshells in my own home. To realize that I cannot control her, and if she wants to be upset over a burger, then so be it. Let it not rob my joy. "
what was Lori's response. I ask in all seriousness because this is an area in my own marriage where my bride of 34 years and I collide.