Several women commented on my Margarita Party post wondering how I could drink alcohol when it is forbidden in Scripture. I responded to their comments, but it is a complicated issue so I let my husband respond to it ~
The issue of drinking alcohol is not a “yes” or “no” issue for the student of the scriptures. Many believe that the Bible clearly teaches complete abstinence and yet no place is this clearly found in the scriptures.
What is repeated frequently in the scriptures is the admonition not to get drunk or be drunk with wine or strong drink. Such an admonition given in various parts of the scriptures becomes proof that to drink and not be drunk, is acceptable to the believer.
Take for instance the passage in Leviticus 10:9 that forbids the priests from drinking wine or strong drink “when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die.” If the priests were not drinking wine or strong drink at other times in their lives, God would not have forbidden imbibing at this particular time, “when you go into the tent of meeting.” Would He not have simply said, “Do not drink wine or strong drink”?
This same proof that drinking of alcohol was a part of the practice of believers and not forbidden appears in many places within the scriptures. The plain speaking Apostle Paul had every opportunity to clearly set the record straight for drinking alcohol by simply saying, “Do not drink,” but instead he says ~
Elders are not to be "given to drunkenness” I Tim. 3:3;
What is repeated frequently in the scriptures is the admonition not to get drunk or be drunk with wine or strong drink. Such an admonition given in various parts of the scriptures becomes proof that to drink and not be drunk, is acceptable to the believer.
Take for instance the passage in Leviticus 10:9 that forbids the priests from drinking wine or strong drink “when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die.” If the priests were not drinking wine or strong drink at other times in their lives, God would not have forbidden imbibing at this particular time, “when you go into the tent of meeting.” Would He not have simply said, “Do not drink wine or strong drink”?
This same proof that drinking of alcohol was a part of the practice of believers and not forbidden appears in many places within the scriptures. The plain speaking Apostle Paul had every opportunity to clearly set the record straight for drinking alcohol by simply saying, “Do not drink,” but instead he says ~
Elders are not to be "given to drunkenness” I Tim. 3:3;
Deacons are not to be “given to much wine” I Tim. 3:8;
Older women are to be taught “not to be addicted to much wine” Titus 2:3.
This makes it pretty obvious that unless the early church leaders took all of Paul’s words to the extreme, drinking was permissible, but excess was greatly discouraged or forbidden.
Some may point to Paul’s admonition in Romans 14:21 as the reason Christians may not drink: “It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.”
I like Martin Luther’s response when he says, “Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?” I do not know many Christians who believe God has forbidden the eating of meat, nor banning of all sex because sex is abused.
No, instead we have taught our children to “let your moderation be known to all men” Philippians 4:5. A glass of wine, perhaps two over a couple hours of time, is not forbidden in the scriptures and is part of Christian liberty.
With liberty comes responsibility and each believer must seek the Lord’s wisdom through the Spirit to determine how he or she may exercise such liberty or perhaps find it best to not drink. Just because the Christian may drink wine does not make it profitable, and those with children need to be very careful that their children grow up to discern wisdom in this very important area of Christian morality.
Our family used wine sparingly and many times when wine was served we would take the opportunity to teach our kids the many facets of this important issue to our culture. We were not afraid to tell our kids that the Bible does not forbid drinking wine, but it does forbid drunkenness.
We taught them alcohol is severely abused in our society which may be a reason in itself not to drink wine as an example to others. But most of all, we taught them that there are many areas of liberty in the scriptures which do not require a black or white, yes or no, but rather require a personal conversation with Jesus to decide when it may or may not be appropriate to drink a glass of wine.
Our conclusion, from a very careful study of the scriptures, which included a thirty page exegetical study of all of the passages of scripture that refer to the subject of the Christian’s Response to Alcohol I had to do for my conservative Christian graduate school, was that there is very little profit in drinking alcohol, but it is not forbidden to the Christian.
A glass of wine with a meal makes the meal taste better and the conversation flow without any harm or detriment. A glass of wine on the dance floor with my wife can be good for our romance. (Oh no…. now do we have to deal with the issue of the Christian’s response to dance? :)
Moderation in all things and do not make God out to be a hard schoolmaster who does not know how to have fun. Jesus was accused of being a drunkard, because he came “eating and drinking.”
I will bet you Jesus knew exactly how to have fun without abusing food or drink, and that we who follow Him can do the same in a way that the world can say, “Those Christians know how to do it right and live an attractive life filled with truth, joy and freedom.”
Older women are to be taught “not to be addicted to much wine” Titus 2:3.
This makes it pretty obvious that unless the early church leaders took all of Paul’s words to the extreme, drinking was permissible, but excess was greatly discouraged or forbidden.
Some may point to Paul’s admonition in Romans 14:21 as the reason Christians may not drink: “It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.”
I like Martin Luther’s response when he says, “Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?” I do not know many Christians who believe God has forbidden the eating of meat, nor banning of all sex because sex is abused.
No, instead we have taught our children to “let your moderation be known to all men” Philippians 4:5. A glass of wine, perhaps two over a couple hours of time, is not forbidden in the scriptures and is part of Christian liberty.
With liberty comes responsibility and each believer must seek the Lord’s wisdom through the Spirit to determine how he or she may exercise such liberty or perhaps find it best to not drink. Just because the Christian may drink wine does not make it profitable, and those with children need to be very careful that their children grow up to discern wisdom in this very important area of Christian morality.
Our family used wine sparingly and many times when wine was served we would take the opportunity to teach our kids the many facets of this important issue to our culture. We were not afraid to tell our kids that the Bible does not forbid drinking wine, but it does forbid drunkenness.
We taught them alcohol is severely abused in our society which may be a reason in itself not to drink wine as an example to others. But most of all, we taught them that there are many areas of liberty in the scriptures which do not require a black or white, yes or no, but rather require a personal conversation with Jesus to decide when it may or may not be appropriate to drink a glass of wine.
Our conclusion, from a very careful study of the scriptures, which included a thirty page exegetical study of all of the passages of scripture that refer to the subject of the Christian’s Response to Alcohol I had to do for my conservative Christian graduate school, was that there is very little profit in drinking alcohol, but it is not forbidden to the Christian.
A glass of wine with a meal makes the meal taste better and the conversation flow without any harm or detriment. A glass of wine on the dance floor with my wife can be good for our romance. (Oh no…. now do we have to deal with the issue of the Christian’s response to dance? :)
Moderation in all things and do not make God out to be a hard schoolmaster who does not know how to have fun. Jesus was accused of being a drunkard, because he came “eating and drinking.”
I will bet you Jesus knew exactly how to have fun without abusing food or drink, and that we who follow Him can do the same in a way that the world can say, “Those Christians know how to do it right and live an attractive life filled with truth, joy and freedom.”
“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.” 1 Cor. 10:31.
Sara (chicago) · 703 weeks ago
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged" Luke 6:37
Kathy · 703 weeks ago
See also John 2: 1-12 Jesus' first miracle- turning water into wine at the wedding feast at Cana. "On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine. . . Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” So they filled them up to the brim. And He said to them, “Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter.” So they took it to him. When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine . .:
Michelle · 703 weeks ago
Paul Leavitt · 703 weeks ago
Paul L.
P.S. Could you do a post on christian dancing, and maybe what kind of dancing?
Liz · 703 weeks ago
I am sorry to hear you were judged as you were. I have often had "discussions" with other Christians on this very subject. There are those who believe it is sin, but their argument constantly falls down when scripture is sighted. The bible is very clear on not becoming drunk but it does not forbid drinking.
It is a personal decision, I believe, and no one has the right to judge another.
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caroline · 703 weeks ago
We go so far as to not even go to restaruants that have bars. As an ambassador of Christ, I want to give no cause for stumbling or have any one have a question mark in theri minds as to what I believe and who I follow. To me, drinking is what the world engages in, so I stay as far away from that activity as possible.
I do thank you for so many wonderful blog posts that have been very helpful and a blessing to me. And you have a very kind and sweet spirit. I agree with your thoughts on discipline of children and how we should love and reverence our husbands. But on the issue of drinking I have to say that I respectfully disagree.
Blessings,
Caroline
Holly · 703 weeks ago
This post is right on.
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ashleyschnarr 11p · 703 weeks ago
“ A wine cooler is an alcoholic beverage. It is my own personal conviction that I do not drink alcoholic beverages of any kind any time and there are several reasons why.
Reason, and they're not in a particularly spiritual order, but reason number one is the fact that I believe the Bible warns very, very strongly about drunkenness and very, very strongly about losing control in dissipation, Ephesians 5:18, "Be not drunk with wine in which is dissipation but be filled with the Spirit." If I'm going to be under the control of something I want it to be the Holy Spirit, not some substance….
ashleyschnarr 11p · 703 weeks ago
ashleyschnarr 11p · 703 weeks ago
Please don’t take this comment as attacking in anyway. I merely wish to share my view point and MacArthur words it much better than I could.
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Jenn · 703 weeks ago
I grew up in a church that my father pastored, but that church was not the church for me. After I got married, my husband and I started going to a different church. That church happened to believe that the gift of tongues was still alive and relevant...my father's church believes that the gift of tongues is dead. One day, my father approached me and said how he just couldn't believe I would go to a church "like that". I asked my dad what the most important part of Christianity is. "Jesus dying and paying our sin debt. Us asking for forgiveness and becoming new and viewable to God". Then I asked my father if the gift of tongues was anywhere in those two sentences. ...and the crickets chirped...because when it comes down to it, our beliefs on those questionable things are not what gets us to heaven. It's Jesus' precious blood that made the way to Heaven for us...covered our dirtiness and allows God to look at us. Whether or not someone drinks alcohol is going to be a personal conviction and like other personal convictions, what may be 'right' for me might not be what is 'right' for you. We do not have the right to judge each other on those things...it isn't our job to do that. It's our job to love each other despite our differences.
Wonderful post and beautifully written. I really enjoyed the read. Thank you.
Michelle · 703 weeks ago
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Angela · 703 weeks ago
1. being in a temporary state in which one's physical and mental faculties are impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink
2. overcome or dominated by a strong feeling or emotion
4. Caused or influenced by intoxication
5. Michael Pearl's (Debi Pearl's husband) definition "“So when one drinks any alcoholic beverage for the purpose of altering his state of consciousness-that is to relax, to get happy, or to party-then he is drunk.”
...it would seem that you and your husband are saying two separate things.
First, that it is wrong to drink to the point of getting drunk and, therefore, you both do not get drunk.
Second, by this statement your husband makes, "A glass of wine with a meal makes the meal taste better and the conversation flow without any harm or detriment. A glass of wine on the dance floor with my wife can be good for our romance" it sounds like he is using alcohol to alter his mind and physical behavior and thus get "drunk", even if it is "moderately" drunk.
~Angela
Ken · 703 weeks ago
Michael Pearl says, “Does the Bible prohibit the drinking of wine? Absolutely not.” Somewhere between “yes” and “no” is the answer on drinking wine for the Christian and it will take a thoughtful and studious believer to determine how dark the gray is for them and their family. For ours, black it is found in your first four definitions of drunkenness, but the idea that one cannot relax or be “happy” with a glass of wine is adding to what the scriptures teach. It is something that Michael Pearl has given as part of his own perspective. To equate drunkenness to relaxing with a glass of wine is to then say that coffee is a drug for those who drink a cup each morning or chamomile tea a drug to relax in the evenings, to “alter their state of being.” It is clear for this student of the scriptures that the drinking of wine is not forbidden in the scriptures and yet drunkenness is forbidden. My state of being may be modestly affected by a glass or two of wine, but my state of consciousness is not altered.
Let us use our liberty to choose to drink a glass of wine, or to choose to not drink, and may each one of us be sensitive to how the Spirit desires for us to act and think. No doubt, too many Christians are crossing the line and that becomes the primary argument for abstaining altogether. But let’s not force black into this gray area of the scriptures. There are plenty of do’s and don’ts already without making more don’ts when God clear teaches that we are “not to drink to excess.” There are 30-40 places in the scriptures God could have simply said, “no, no, never never,” but he has chosen to leave this important issue of drinking wine up to our Spirit led conscience.
Angela · 703 weeks ago
"Drinking, even social drinking, cannot be legitimately supported by the Bible. Every drink that is available today, even beer, falls into the category of unmixed or strong drink. Clearly, Christians should not drink alcoholic beverages. Drinking socially is a worldly activity and in light of the fact that believers are neither to be conformed to the world (Romans 12:2) nor love the world(I John 2:15) our choice should be clear. We ARE to be SEPARATE FROM the world (II Corinthians 6:17) and LIGHT TO the world (Ephesians 5:8; Phillipians 2:15). Perhaps social drinking has enhanced the acceptability of Christians in society, but it has not advanced the cause of Christ, and it does not glorify God! Social drinking is simply a means which the devil uses to blunt our testimony for Christ and squeeze us into his mold."
~Angela