Wednesday, January 8, 2014

A Sensible Approach To Spanking, Flicking Or Twigging Your Child


It is always interesting when Lori does a post on spanking to see the hard core, politically correct types swoop in and challenge anything and everything. There are also the more sensible types with whom you can at least carry on a discussion, but the hard core opponents are actually somewhat organized and smell out any spanking advocates and pour onto the post many ridiculous comments.

In an effort to try and set the record straight let me be clear about our position on spanking. First, we believe that spanking, flicking and twigging are excellent communication's tools to communicate with a child who cannot reason. If you are going to spank, almost all of your spanking should probably be complete by the age of 5-7, or it most likely will not work. Most of the time if your child does not obey you by seven years old it is because you were either a wimp of a disciplinarian in their formative years,  or you have one of those really hard headed, stubborn children who may turn out to be a terrific doctor or lawyer some day.  Regardless, try another approach after age seven, and hopefully by age 4-5 there will be no more need for spankings.

For that matter we will strongly object to any spanking that has any potential to harm bones, as some objectors like to call spankings “beatings”  or "hitting." The pain of discomfort that comes from a spank or swat should all be related to sensitive feelings on the child's bottom and not the use of force. There should be no force in spanking that leaves any mark or bruise, let alone have any influence on bones. As the Pearl’s correctly teach, a swat or spank should be done in a controlled manner, ideally with a flexible object that will cause discomfort, but not leave any marks or bruises. Skin stinging pain, not muscle pain.

The question as I see it is this: "Will we allow parents to do what they believe is right to raise their children to become well disciplined?"  If the answer is yes, then please leave some room for parents who choose to flick their five month old and spank their five year old.  We personally do not advocate any spanking of kids under the age of 12 months, but I had no problem having Lori flick the cheek of our child to train them not to bite her as she was nursing. OW! Now that is cruel to allow a baby to bite a very sensitive part of the body when a couple of flicks will solve the problem.

The same applies to squirming babies when diapers are being changed. For some reason one of our babies was all over the place when it came time to change his diaper. He would get mad at being changed and became very uncooperative, arching his back, and throwing a fit at a very young age… maybe a year old. We gave him a swat at times to get him into a more cooperative mood. Are we cruel parents for this?

Our ASB President, winner of many sports championships and the title Doctor, and soon to be specialist was not maimed or harmed in any way. Much the opposite as he appreciates the training we invested in him. And some other post will need to cover the many ways we trained our children, and the concept of spanking was simply one of a number of effective communication's tools.  

Sure there are other ways to accomplish training a small child and we are all for using them.  Hold the baby’s nose if you like, or withhold nursing the baby when they bite, but a small amount of pain or discomfort applied at the right time, and the right way IS a major communication's tool that can and should be used by caring parents as they train their children.

Some have asked if we have looked at the significant research that is out there that shows that spanking will lower your child’s IQ and make them more aggressive. The answer is yes, and I would refer anyone who is interested in the truth about these studies to start with a Wall Street Journal article: New Research on Spanking Might Need a Time Out

If some choose not to flick or spank, so be it. It is not sin to not spank, flick or twig your child, but you had better have a game plan then as to how you will raise a godly, disciplined adult, or stand before God some day and explain why His ways were not good for you and your family. God cares more about the results than the methods, so use whatever ‘rod” you like, even a none physical rod, to achieve what God desires in well behaved children who will become some sort of adult that you trained and prepared for life.

America is on a decline for many reasons, but our teachers shake their heads each day wondering how their unruly, undisciplined students, who have been raised by “laissez faire” parents, will ever become solid contributors to society. How can you teach them Math and English when their parents have not taught them to sit quietly and obey their elders? And we submit such training starts somewhere around 18 months, not 18 years old. You get to choose how to train your children, but leave us the freedom to use time tested and proven discipline techniques, so long as what we are doing is reasonable. And allow us and the Pearls to pass along what has worked so successfully with our combined nine, well behaved, godly, discipline young adults.

Train up a child in the way he should go: 
and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6

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Here is the quote from To Train up a Child:

At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of “No” with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree.
10 replies · active 585 weeks ago
I am always blessed to see how Ken is so involved in your ministry, Lori. :)
3 replies · active 585 weeks ago
I love and appreciate this blog in order to help younger mothers and wives grow more like Christ. To those of us women who realize that God's ways are not our ways but are far above ours (and any of our "experts" ways), these insights into how to practically live out scripture is a wonderful blessing. I submit you and Lori should continue to write for us and not bother with response posts to the fools who are "smarter" than God.
After studying, read and asking question of the wonderful Christians in my life I still have not found any scriptures that tells us to smack a baby; not one!

Children yes babies no! I am all for smacking and disciplining children we did so with both of our children and they have both come to us as adult and thanked us for doing it because they both felt it was done in love and out of hearts that wanted them to live a Holy life!
6 replies · active 585 weeks ago
Thanks for this post. We need you as an advocate because spanking is becoming a taboo topic. But it is important, and we can't have it labeled "violence" like I sometimes see. I did use spanks with my children and many other methods too. A toddler that doesn't know language learns what No means when a swat is applied with the word No. When that toddler is trying to climb onto the table and you swat the leg as he/she is just about to ascend. I really see no better way to communicate. You'd have to drag the kid off the table 100 times and they would probably just think it was a game. I believe appropriate spanks teach a child that your words are to be obeyed.
4 replies · active 585 weeks ago
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Happy Girl · 585 weeks ago

We used physical punishment as a last resort, or if the deed was life threatening. I do not agree with about 70% of what the Pearls say but a little smack so a baby will associate something dangerous eg: power points, knives etc with pain and therefore stay away as they have a limited understanding of language is sometimes necessary. I would advise against using anything other then your hand as it can be hard to judge the force you smack with with a switch or other things used.
The reason I believe spanking/smacking is discouraged and banned is that too many people have gone too far and then used books and other sources as an excuse, unfortunately if you are going to publicly talk about your personal life or choices then you have to accept that others may disagree, criticise or outright insult you and your choices. Especially when it comes to children, just ask Lenore Skenazy.
8 replies · active 585 weeks ago
I agree with you, Lori. I appreciate that you have your husband's support too. I posted that I gave the pearl's book to my daughter to read before she is getting married "The Help meet", I was shot down very aggressively. AS It is, I love the book, and stand by it, my daughter read it too, and loved it as one of the best books on marriage. AS with anything that we read, we should always assess it, and not follow blindly. Thank you for encouraging women to think! God bless.
1 reply · active 585 weeks ago
It seems like the issue isn't spanking, but heart & motive. People may disagree with spanking but are ok with yelling at their children, which can be more abusive, so your mouth becomes a destructive weapon. A knife in a surgeon's hand is a tool for good. A knife in a murderer's hand is another matter. I have to cause my child pain for their own good sometimes, such as removing a splinter, etc. A switch as a tool in a loving parent's hand is quite a different thing than one in an angry, abusive hand. It's easy to criticize the method, when it's really the heart behind it.
2 replies · active 585 weeks ago
Ken, you have a great way of explaining things so that I understand! :)
Lori the one book is on-line to read so I am starting it now!
I just got an email from the Pearls agent saying the book is not online and that it is definitely 5 months in the actual book. Any reference to four months is doctored which leaves open teh question what else was changed??? Reading the actual book or Kindle may be best.
The book I have in front of me, the 1994 edition, says FOUR months. It has not been doctored in any way. I am happy to send a picture to anyone who asks.
But honestly, whether it's four months or five months, striking a baby for any reason is repugnant and wrong.
That is pretty hard to believe in that Lori's copy is 1994 and it is 5 months. And no one is "striking" any baby. Twigging... maybe... without pain.
1 reply · active 585 weeks ago
We are a homeschooling non-spanking family. My husband and I feel that spanking is not the way to discipline our children. There are other ways to correct a child and babys behavoir, but like you said we have lazy parenting. It takes CONSISTENCY!! Our focus is the heart of our children. Homeschooling allows us to train up our children in the ways of the Lord in EVERYTHING we do.
1 reply · active 580 weeks ago

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