Monday, March 10, 2014

A Career Just In Case?




Many young women are told to get an education and a career in case their husband dies so they will have a way to support themselves.  This is not biblical.  No where in Scripture does it tell young women to have careers and leave their families for hours every day.

Paul's instructions to Timothy in I Timothy 5 gives us clues as to how widows are to support themselves.  To widows under 60 years old he commands, "I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully."  

To the older widow, he commands, "Let a widow be put on the list {to get support from family or the church}...having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children  if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work."

He begins chapter 5 by saying, "If any widow has children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God...But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

He concludes his discussion about widows with, "If any man or woman that believes have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed."

Paul could have easily said that widows needed to go out and find a job to support themselves but he didn't.  He said that first family members needed to provide for them.  If they didn't have family members, then the church needs to provide for them but younger widows should get remarried so their husbands can provide for them.  

He tells them this because young widows are prone to "be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention."

I was told I needed a career in case something happened to Ken.  Well guess what, I have been ill the past 25 years and would have never been able to work outside of the home if something happened to Ken but I know I would have been well taken care of by my family, praise the Lord.


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Lady Virtue · 576 weeks ago

Great post. The first paragraph alone is worth its weight in gold.

I am one of those women who was raised to believe a college degree and a job were the litmus test of adulthood, with no training on how to be a wife or mom. I supposedly "needed" these either in case I didn't get married or something happened to my husband (death, desertion, etc.). For the most part, I think parents who raise their daughters with this mindset mean well, but it usually backfires later on. Why would a man be interested in an independent woman for a wife? Some women I know have poor relationships with their parents, particularly their moms, who raised them to be feminists. Now, as adults, they rarely visit with their parents and have no grandchildren to present to them. It's all quite sad, really.
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
Could not agree more, and I will raise my daughter this way. I was always pressured by pareNts to get a degree as a back up plan. Well I did that, and we are still paying for ir in student loans and I'm not bringing in any income. I have family that would take us in in a second if something tragic were to happen to my husband. Also, because it is important to both of us that I stay home to raise our children my husband had a very large insurance policy to ensure I wouldn't have to leave the kids.
I think we're setting up a false dichotomy here: either a woman has a college degree and she's a raging feminist unfit to be a wife, or she's a sweet, pliable, ignorant little thing who makes a submissive wife. That is not the case. It is quite possible to be a college-educated woman and still be a good and submissive wife. Of course, a woman has to be careful, if she's going to get a college degree, that she isn't led astray in a liberal college to be a feminist. And she should also be sure to learn homemaking skills to prepare for marriage and not think that college will teach her everything she needs to know. But having a college degree and being prepared to get a job if necessary is not a bad thing.
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
The Bible nowhere says that a widow can't work to provide for her family. It merely says that the church should provide for those who can't provide for themselves (through their children taking care of them or otherwise). Getting a job is a perfectly good way of doing that and is nowhere condemned in scripture. In fact, Dorcas (who was most likely a widow) apparently made "coats and garments" to earn a living (Acts 9) and Lydia (of whom no husband is spoken) was a "seller of purple" (Acts 16). A woman should keep her home and her family as the main focus, but there is nothing wrong with being prepared. Taking care of oneself to take the burden off the church is a good thing.
My parents did not encourage me to go to college, nor did they help me to to so. I went because I find this world endlessly fascinating, mysterious, challenging, and I just wanted to learn more. I consider my college years a rich experience, and treasure the people I met there. Life 2,000 years ago, and more, was different in many ways from 21st century living. And I like our present day opportunities. One can still love and serve the Lord!!
If this is to be the attitude women adopt today, then we must first make sure church members are willing to step up in this situations. I do not know, nor heard of any church that help young men understand their responsibility to marry young widows. I have not ever heard of a church program that supports older widows in rent, food, medical, etc. Lindsay Harold gives examples of NT women who worked, and I will add the Proverbs 31 women who purchases a field and plants a vineyard. Why would she do that? That is entrepreneurial activity.
8 replies · active 576 weeks ago
Thanks for sharing this. I've been told many times that I should have something to fall back on 'just in case.' I bought it for a while, but now I see it as attempts to lure me out of the house and to where my 'true value' (according to the world) is in the workplace. I'm thankful I didn't bite when it was dangled before me.

If someone is truly concerned about this, there is practical, rubber-meets-the-road planning you can employ. First of all, don't incur debt. Live simply, buy a modest home (well within or below the amount of money a bank would lend you), don't buy all the gazmos and gidgets the world tells us we need. Live simply, within your means, putting a lot of money into savings. Additionally, when you are young, life insurance is really cheap. Buy a policy that will give provide enough to live on for a short time while you figure out what you can do. These things can be done and you can still be self-reliant without depending on others. If you put a lot of money into savings (minimum recommended is 9 months living expenses by some financial advisors) that would give you time as well. If you have savings, and are debt-free, with some cutting back, one could live on the social security benefits you would receive while the children are still young. Now that I've said that, please don't think I'm pro-big government and social programs. I'm the farthest from it, I think we should all be responsible for ourselves, but the systems are in place.
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
I have only learned the proper roles for a woman in my middle years, even though I was raised by Christian parents. Thankfully that paid for my college education... and I am glad that I have it, I cannot imagine what life would be right now without it. Welfare most likely. I have no family able to take me in, my parents are in their 80's. I was in my thirties before I married and had my son, so I had plenty of opportunity to use my education and at one time was financially 'set'. Sadly my husband was ill and left us financially ruined. But my point is that I am now raising my soon to turn 13 year old son alone, and was able to create a very solid business working from my home. I have the best of both worlds, being able to provide a decent/modest living and be here to take care of him, we each breakfast and dinner together, which I prepare, am able to take him to school and pick him up during our harsh winters, as well as fit in a load of laundry and some housework over my lunch break... working from home is something that should be considered when a woman has to find a way to provide when the husband/father is no longer alive, or willing and able to do so. I have asked the Lord to send me another husband, one who is healthy and able to lead our home and someone to share love and life with... in the mean time I will not have to be a burden to society and for that I am thankful.
Hmmm....I don't think a college education should ever be pursued as a "back-up plan" (can you imagine getting a multi THOUSAND dollar education as a 'just in case things don't work out'?!). That's just the dumbest reason to get a degree ever!!

I loved working before I met my husband! It was a joy and a blessing to work every day, no question. When we moved for his work (USMC) very shortly after our wedding, I became a housewife and then a mother. And THAT has always been my dream.

I have had people ask if I feel like I've wasted my degree by becoming a housewife and mother. Those comments just make me sad for those people. There is NO bigger blessing than raising and keeping a family. My education served it's purpose before I was married (shaping me as a woman, providing an income, etc), although I do still heavily draw on college lessons and experiences in my day-to-day life.
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Loving been his wife · 576 weeks ago

Lori, what if no man asks a young widow to marry him? I have friends who are in this boat and they have pray and pray and prayed some more but no man seems interested they are really precious women who I would of thought would of been asked out and courted and also been sort after but alas no; sadly.
The one lady ever time I see her she sadly tells me she is still alone :o( what advice do you have for these women?

She is very feminine, has a good figure, her hair is always beautiful, makeup on, softly spoken and very loving. How do they take care of themselves? I have been in churches my whole life and none of the churches have been able to take care of widows or the elderly in a financial way; just interested in your take on this!
Thanks.
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
Becoming a widow is not that common...but being a divorced or single parent is quite common. Some of these women have been abandoned by their husbands, who also refuse to pay child support or alimony. And you don't get any life insurance if they're still living and healthy, obviously. Now, I'm sure the argument will come up "well, that's why you have to be really careful who you marry." Sure, I get that....but people change over time, and sometimes you just don't get a chance to try to salvage the relationship. But anyway, that's not the real point I wanted to make.

This above is not my personal story, for which I am grateful. I have been married to a Christian man for 14 years. But here's what I think girls should do before getting married: 1) Get a college education with a useful degree (mine is in nursing) without getting into debt. My degree was 4 years long BSN from a private Christian university, I worked nights/weekends/summers, lived at my parents' house, and graduated with one monthly payment left to make. 2) Work like crazy while single, saving up as much as possible. 3) After getting married and with the approval of the husband, look for ways to maintain credentials while working PT from home, participating as an adjunct/online professor 1-2 days/month, participate in church activities that use the college training, SOMETHING that is worth putting on a resume if the woman ever had to reenter the job market.

I think this article places too much emphasis on the far ends of a spectrum. Having a CAREER, as is mentioned many times above, does require numerous hours and upkeep for a woman. No, I don't think that is what God intends wives to do--so I agree with the author on that. But, staying at home and caring for the home/family/husband does not exclude the wife maintaining marketable skills (as in Prov 31)---this does not take hours and hours away from family life. And I don't think it should be called a "back-up plan" just in case of widowhood....or even in case of divorce. It's part of not burying your God-given talents in the ground to just sit there, but to be productive with them.....because even if a woman never becomes a widow or divorced, her "marketable skills" will benefit her husband and family.

A wife who has marketable skills can be of HUGE value to the husband.

My example was led by my own mother. My dad insisted that my mom finish up a master's degree in speech therapy a year after having me. Throughout growing up, I witnessed my mom take clients into our home to do therapy while I was doing homeschooling work or was at school (I did both home and regular school), and then when I and my brother were more independent in late highschool and college, she took contract work from local nursing homes and made hundreds of thousands of dollars, while still caring for the home, fixing meals, etc. This money highly benefited my dad....my mom paid off the house mortgage way early, and because of that, my dad got to fulfill his dream of building his own home on a nice piece of mountain land. They are still living in that house now, mortgage free, and their land has more than tripled in value since they bought it.

And now, I am considered a stay-at-home mom of two kids. I homeschool both of them. My husband works out of state, and commutes to and from every weekend, so I take care of everything at home. But in the last 5 years, I've made over $50,000 just by authoring and editing nursing/medical educational materials and online CEU courses....from home, at night after the kids are in bed, and by just managing my time well. We just replaced my 1997 car with a 2008 car by paying cash...that we never would have had if I had not maintained my marketable skills. My husband benefits greatly, because we don't have that car payment to put more stress on him every month. And my work allows me an intellectual outlet....while still being a "keeper at home."

Every wife's situation is different with her husband, and she should be submissive. But I would encourage all wives, when the time is right, to keep up or develop marketable skills. I know of many women who have embroidery skills, childcare skills, bakery/cake decorating skills/businesses, etc., etc.....who work very well as keepers at home while maintaining these skills.
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Cabinetman · 576 weeks ago

I know of churches who take care of widows (and also orphans). Yet, another reason to pick a biblical church! All to often we worship in places that are ignoring much of the gospel and the bible's teaching and I think it's time we pray, and love and stand up for the Truth and either change those places we worship or if that fails find one that is willing. Yes loving leadership and submissive wives teaching should be included, but it goes far beyond that.

I am as guilty as the next of putting my trust in the wrong things and not in the Lord. If He cares for the sparrow...He will care for my wife if something were to happen to me. And part of loving husbandry is making sure to do my part so that if something did happen she and our children would be okay.

I wonder what people would say if a man had a "back up plan" and how that would go over!
7 replies · active 576 weeks ago
It's actually really important to me to prepare my son so that he will be able to be a provider, and prepare my daughters so that they have work skills- either in the event that they need to work full time to support themselves or so that they can have some flexibility if they would want/need to work part time from the home. So yes, I think all of my children male and female need a solid education. Now would I want my daughters to become orthodontists like your son? Only if they were really passionate about the profession and I clearly let them know the "costs" of having this type of career. I'm not sure I would pay for it though.
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Loving been his wife · 576 weeks ago

It costs $827.10 for a widow to live fortnight (21504.60 a year)
Out of that they must pay for:
A roof over their heads
Food
Transport
Clothing
Ongoing linen purchases
Medication
Power
Gas
Multimedia (T.V. Computer)
Phone
Petrol
Dinner out if needed
Hair cuts
Specialty doctor appointments
Call out fee and work done by: Plumbers, gardener, electricians, handyman, pest control........
I am sure there is more however I can't think of them.
When Paul walked the earth people had none of most of these things(except homes) how life has changed; sadly I think we have given up more than we have gained. But that said who out of us would want to go back to no power, gas, dishwashers, washing machines, microwaves, cars, computers, clothes dryers and all of the modern things that we use in our daily lives.
It adds up so fast, I know of no churches that can cover this, especially if there are a number of elderly people in their churches!
Just think if there are ten elderly people that would come to $215046.00 a year! Not all elderly people own their own homes. Sadly!
Just a thought!
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
Ultimately I disagree with this post. I think it would be a wonderful thing if churches actually did care for their widows but few do--there simply aren't the necessary funds. And I think Jess made a great point--what happens in the event of divorce? There is no life insurance money to care for the family and child support and alimony don't last forever nor are they necessarily enough to live on.

I find it interesting that Lori disagrees that the biblical examples of women working aren't enough. There weren't careers in biblical times the way we think of them today--what those women did essentially amounted to careers! Women were denied from professions in medicine or scholarship so whatever profession they chose, that was their career profession.

I think that the Lord knows that most churches cannot support widows today so if women choose to have a "back-up plan" he is not going to punish them or view that as sin. That is simply good, provident planning. We don't know what the Lord's plan is for us so we should prepare ourselves for all things. Does this mean we don't trust the Lord? I don't think so. I'm sure everyone on this thread would say they trust the Lord to provide food for their family. I am also equally confident that everyone still goes to the grocery store to buy food despite this trust. This doesn't mean you don't trust the Lord to feed yourself or your children. Getting an education to be able to provide for yourself if necessary is no different--you can trust the Lord to care for you if something terrible happens to your husband, but you have to do your part to allow the Lord to provide for you if that happens.
This interesting as I wrote a post today offering a slightly (no, a VERY different) angle. That women are called to be wives first, and submissive wives. So often the argument is offered that women are willfully abandoning their families to chase careers when the truth is that a lot of husbands want their wives to work, at least part time. Many husbands feel that they NEED their wives to work.

I am very thankful that I have been able to be at home and I pray that my daughters can be homemakers as well. If for some reason they cannot, I pray that I remain vital and healthy enough to provide support during seasons of life where they may need to provide income.

I am going to link to this one as a counter balance to what I offered today.
Oh and Lori, and this is Elspeth from Loving in the Ruins. Not sure why the terrybreathinggrace user name shows up now when I comment here.
Another thought occurred to me as well Lori. As I am from a family/ethnic background where women have always (and I mean always) worked, I feel especially blessed to be in my current position. But we forget that util quite recently in human history, women contributed to the bottom line in a very tangible way besides simply couponing and living frugally.

Paul was exhorting women to be home-focused, but providing actual income is not a new thing whose advent began with the feminist movement. The family was a unit of real production where everyone, including the children added to the bottom line.
1 reply · active 576 weeks ago
They were always talking about a backup plan, but Gods plan IS the back-up plan. You cant improve on it.
When I was widowed at age 49 I was teaching, my children were in college, and I was able to help them and maintain my independence. At age 85 I am still in my own home, have traveled a lot, and still take care of myself. I have taken my children on trips to Paris, Cancun, and Hawaii on my time-share, and they have taken me on several trips. How many teaching jobs were there 2000 years ago? Nursing, office work, lawyers, doctors, business women, etc.? I am so happy that I was able to take care of myself, and so are my children!!
I think there is a big difference in having a career "just in case" and an education "just in case." I don't regret my undergrad degree at all. I go back and forth with how I feel about law school. I do not regret the academic side of it, but I used to regret having such huge student loans for a career that I did not enjoy. I don't really feel that way anymore because I have accepted that I will be paying my loans for a long time whether I work or not (not all lawyers make the big salaries that everyone believes they do). I am much happier at home with my children. I do know women who feel trapped in their career as an attorney - they don't enjoy it and would like to stay home, but feel guilty not working with all those student loans.

I absolutely love staying home and I am so glad that I stay home with my kids. I do not missing working outside the home at all. I write articles for a non profit website, so that is my intellectual outlet.

(sorry if this gets posted twice, my internet was messing up as I tried to submit this comment)
6 replies · active 573 weeks ago
Thanks for this post Lori! You are so right and a breath of fresh air!
Shannon

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