She thinks Ken is abusive towards me since he likes me to stand in church when we're singing! She was responding to the following comment on this post ~
Ken loves to stand up during worship at church while we're singing. I prefer to sit down since my lower back and feet hurt if I stand too long. On Sunday, he stood and I stood up beside him and asked him if he prefers I stand with him. He smiled and said, "Yes." I then whispered why I don't like to stand long. Later, we talked about it and he told me that I was welcome to sit down after a minute or two if I start to hurt at all, but he does like me standing beside him. So I decided I will stand now whenever he stands. My desire is to be a submissive wife and even if I'm not perfect yet, I am a lot better than I use to be!
Here is the woman's comment concerning Ken's supposed "abuse" of me ~
There is such a thing as 'just saying no' to such a ridiculous request to make you stand until you are in pain. Yes---it is ridiculous. If MY husband had made that request I would have questioned if he really loved me!! That is abuse!! In a marriage, respect for both partners is a must. Sounds like your husband does not respect you or your pain or he would not ask you to do something that would make you hurt when you could simply sit all the time. At MY CHRISTIAN church, if one of the marriage partners has health issues, he or she remains seated the whole service---we would not THINK or even consider asking that partner to stand just because WE wanted them to stand. Good heavens!
Let's say she is right, (although she is dead wrong!), and I take her advice. I refuse to obey my husband since it is uncomfortable for me to stand many minutes and I'm now angry with him because he's abusive, doesn't respect me AND probably doesn't love me according to her! Do you think this advice will strengthen our marriage or harm it? Do you think this is good advice to give to another Christian woman when you disagree with something her husband is asking her do? How does this uplift her or edify her marriage? All this kind of counsel does is damage the marriage as it serves no healthy purpose but to cause further upset and division. Also, the word abuse here is WAY over used when there is NO abuse at all.
My friend, Sandy, just called me and discussed the same post with me about the woman who refused to obey her husband and sit down when he asked her. She said it all comes down to original sin. We don't like anyone telling us what to do. We want to do what we want to do, period. We want to go our own way and not listen to the commands of the Lord. Ironically, Ken never even told me to stand with him. I was the one to ask him if he liked it. But when I ask, he says Yes and I want to please him; the world of abuse arrives at our doorstep. Just from a simple "Yes."
Let me make this very clear. This is NOT abusive! Ken has never abused me and has never come close to doing anything that is abusive. He never swears, rarely if ever raises his voice, and never has done anything where I might fear him. He is an honorable man of God who I trust completely to look out for my best interests over his own. His daily sacrifices for me are evident everywhere, so to sacrifice a little to please him seems only right.
Therefore, women, whenever you are mentoring other women about their marriage, DO NOT attack their husbands and put them down, especially when you have only one side of the story. It does nothing to improve the marriage and only makes it worse since the wives can do nothing to change their husband's behavior. Most definitely never throw around the inflammatory word "abuse" unless it is truly abusive. No counselor throws fuel on a fire, but instead tries to move the spouse they are working with to a point where they can positively impact the marriage.
You will never change a husband or marriage by inserting your sense of right and wrong into another person's marriage. If I saw nothing wrong with Ken answering me truthfully, why would anyone try to make him into an abusive husband in my mind? Let's get something straight about what God demands of a believer; if we want to please God by being godly wives we must be willing to sacrifice, especially in the little things of life to please our husbands. After all, is this not what we hope and pray our husbands are doing for us each and every day? From Jesus' own words ~
Ken loves to stand up during worship at church while we're singing. I prefer to sit down since my lower back and feet hurt if I stand too long. On Sunday, he stood and I stood up beside him and asked him if he prefers I stand with him. He smiled and said, "Yes." I then whispered why I don't like to stand long. Later, we talked about it and he told me that I was welcome to sit down after a minute or two if I start to hurt at all, but he does like me standing beside him. So I decided I will stand now whenever he stands. My desire is to be a submissive wife and even if I'm not perfect yet, I am a lot better than I use to be!
Here is the woman's comment concerning Ken's supposed "abuse" of me ~
There is such a thing as 'just saying no' to such a ridiculous request to make you stand until you are in pain. Yes---it is ridiculous. If MY husband had made that request I would have questioned if he really loved me!! That is abuse!! In a marriage, respect for both partners is a must. Sounds like your husband does not respect you or your pain or he would not ask you to do something that would make you hurt when you could simply sit all the time. At MY CHRISTIAN church, if one of the marriage partners has health issues, he or she remains seated the whole service---we would not THINK or even consider asking that partner to stand just because WE wanted them to stand. Good heavens!
Let's say she is right, (although she is dead wrong!), and I take her advice. I refuse to obey my husband since it is uncomfortable for me to stand many minutes and I'm now angry with him because he's abusive, doesn't respect me AND probably doesn't love me according to her! Do you think this advice will strengthen our marriage or harm it? Do you think this is good advice to give to another Christian woman when you disagree with something her husband is asking her do? How does this uplift her or edify her marriage? All this kind of counsel does is damage the marriage as it serves no healthy purpose but to cause further upset and division. Also, the word abuse here is WAY over used when there is NO abuse at all.
My friend, Sandy, just called me and discussed the same post with me about the woman who refused to obey her husband and sit down when he asked her. She said it all comes down to original sin. We don't like anyone telling us what to do. We want to do what we want to do, period. We want to go our own way and not listen to the commands of the Lord. Ironically, Ken never even told me to stand with him. I was the one to ask him if he liked it. But when I ask, he says Yes and I want to please him; the world of abuse arrives at our doorstep. Just from a simple "Yes."
Let me make this very clear. This is NOT abusive! Ken has never abused me and has never come close to doing anything that is abusive. He never swears, rarely if ever raises his voice, and never has done anything where I might fear him. He is an honorable man of God who I trust completely to look out for my best interests over his own. His daily sacrifices for me are evident everywhere, so to sacrifice a little to please him seems only right.
Therefore, women, whenever you are mentoring other women about their marriage, DO NOT attack their husbands and put them down, especially when you have only one side of the story. It does nothing to improve the marriage and only makes it worse since the wives can do nothing to change their husband's behavior. Most definitely never throw around the inflammatory word "abuse" unless it is truly abusive. No counselor throws fuel on a fire, but instead tries to move the spouse they are working with to a point where they can positively impact the marriage.
You will never change a husband or marriage by inserting your sense of right and wrong into another person's marriage. If I saw nothing wrong with Ken answering me truthfully, why would anyone try to make him into an abusive husband in my mind? Let's get something straight about what God demands of a believer; if we want to please God by being godly wives we must be willing to sacrifice, especially in the little things of life to please our husbands. After all, is this not what we hope and pray our husbands are doing for us each and every day? From Jesus' own words ~
If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
So next time you hear a wife say something you think is unfair or unkind about her husband, work on her attitudes and behaviors according to the Word of God and what it teaches. Help her to focus on her husband's good qualities and the sacrifices he makes for her, not on his faults. Then encourage her with I Peter 3:1 ~ Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives {I Peter 3:1}.
Cynthia · 536 weeks ago
This would be true for those mentoring either a wife or a husband.
Brit · 536 weeks ago
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Lady Virtue · 536 weeks ago
It seems like it's perfectly OK for wives to have unrealistic expectations and a sense of entitlement, but God forbid that a husband would express his preferences and desires. Sad indeed.
Stephanie · 536 weeks ago
Anne · 536 weeks ago
Yes, I know I am assuming alot. But how can anyone read your blog and all the comments and not see how devoted Ken and Lori are to each other and how they would never want to cause unnecessary harm to their spouse.he day. I'm going to assume that during that conversation, Ken told Lori how much he loves having his wonderful wife, standing by his side while worshipping the Lord. Ken seems to be a thoughtful, caring husband, expressed his concerns over her standing too long and let her know that if she tires or is in pain she must sit down right away. But it makes him happy that she would want to stand next to him. Lori made a decision to stand next him. She expressed her thoughts and concerns. She had a spouse who listened to her. SHE made a decision. Ken did not force her.
Yes, I know I am assuming alot. But how can anyone read your blog and all the comments and not see how devoted Ken and Lori are to each other and how they would never want to cause unnecessary harm to their spouse.
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Ken · 536 weeks ago
The last few days Lori has continued to ask me to do things for her because of her neck and strength issues. It has been quite painful at times to oblige as I have a sprained wrist. My wrist hurt all the way from the curb to the home as I pulled the trash bins in. Is this an inconsiderate and abusive wife, knowing that I am injured yet still anticipating the trash cans will be brought in. I mean I was in real pain, not just some standing discomfort. Or is this just an illustration of pain that we all go through to sacrifice a bit of ourselves for our spouse and never say a word about it?
The whole country seems to have gotten ridiculous when it comes to pain and serving others. The post today illustrates this clearly. To throw out the "abuse" word when a husband gives his preferences when asked is some reaction to a hidden bias which does not in any way match up with the life and words of our Lord Jesus who calls us to sacrifice for Him and for others. Lori is under no command or obligation to stand at church, or stand past a point into pain, but I always appreciate it when she shows me a desire to please me.
This gets to the heart of submission, that it takes no commands from a husband to lead or for a wife to be submissive. Both are in tune with the other spouses preferences and try to meet them because this is what Jesus would do and asks us to do for others, not just our spouse. But often husbands come last for many wives, after kids, friends, parents, Internet, etc.Why? Because of a bias to be served and pleased by a husband instead of a desire to serve and please him.
Katie · 536 weeks ago
thejoyfilledwife · 536 weeks ago
Life is full of painful experiences that are worthwhile. Look at childbirth, for instance. The pain of labor is the greatest most women experience in their lifetime and it's a selfless occasion that is celebrated with great joy. Look at what our Savior did on the cross for us. No pain is greater than the one he endured on our behalf. We can easily make being pain free an idol if we constantly avoid it, even to our relational detriment.
Lori Alexander 122p · 536 weeks ago
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Megan · 536 weeks ago
The ladies response seemed to ooze with pride. And it indicates an unsubmissive attitude. The type of women I avoid and I know many men would avoid. It makes me want to write a sympathy card for her poor husband. Ugh! #facepalm
Jo · 536 weeks ago
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Ksdee · 536 weeks ago
Why must it get to such an extreme about questioning love?
I am sure that Lori and Ken have a good communication style and Ken would certainly never want to cause her pain. He knows the journey Lori has had with regard to health matters.
I am sure that Lori and Ken would have discussed this outside of church if Lori felt that standing was beyond her comfort level.
The commenter may have purposely chosen an opposing, negative view not to attack but because she may well not understand submission. The commenter could have just as easily shown concern for Lori in a caring way.
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