Wednesday, August 26, 2015

Should Anna Separate from Josh?


Women have been asking what my advice to Anna would be concerning separation if I were mentoring her. I have mentored women in similar situations but I will begin with quoting several verses about this topic first since I try to give biblical counsel and not my own.

And the woman who hath a husband that believes not and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy {1 Corinthians 7:13, 14}

Therefore, I would encourage not separating from Joshua since while she is living in the home with him, Jesus is living in this home and he is being sanctified by her, as the verse states. If she separated, her children would visit Joshua where Jesus may not be and this is never good. We don't know whether or not Joshua is truly a believer but his actions say he is not and he needs to have a heart transformation by Jesus. Even if he is a believer, he has been living in sin and the fruit of his life isn't consistent with how a true believer should live.

If she separated from him, he would probably live on his own and would be left to his own devices which is a bad idea. If she loves Joshua, which I believe she does, she wants more than anything for him to walk in the Spirit and to have saving faith in Jesus. There's nothing more powerful than a transformed life in convicting others. Yes, he's probably seen this in her life ever since he married her, but there will likely be a lot more accountability in his life from now on since he's proven he can't be trusted.

I would hope that godly men will surround him, hold him accountable and speak Truth into him. I pray godly women are surrounding Anna with encouragement, support and helping her in any way she needs help. This family is going to need a lot of prayer and support from the family of God and I am sure they are getting it.

Paul rebuked the church in Corinth because there was a man attending their church who was having sexual relations with his stepmother {1 Corinthians 5} and warned them that a little leaven leavens the whole lump. The church then kicked him out and he became repentant. Then in 2 Corinthians, Paul exhorts the church to bring him back into the fold so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him {2 Corinthians 2:7, 8}. If a church can forgive a man who had sex with his stepmother, a church can forgive Josh. Also, since we are commanded to forgive a repentant brother 70 X 7 times, surely a wife is supposed to forgive a repentant husband who she is one flesh with this many times .

Many will cry "Divorce" since he cheated on her and Jesus said it is okay to divorce if there's adultery. No, He did not. He said that Moses allowed it due to the hardness of the people's heart. He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together let no man separate. Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery" {Matthew 19}. He's not telling anyone to divorce in these verses. No New Testament writer wrote that divorce is the right thing to do; that it was good or acceptable. Jesus was just saying that if the unfaithful man or woman divorces their spouse due to the hardness of their heart and the faithful spouse then remarries, the faithful spouse is not committing adultery. He is certainly NOT promoting divorce; quite the contrary!

The whole book of Hosea is about a man who marries a prostitute who continues to be unfaithful to Hosea, yet he remains faithful to her; illustrating the fact that God remains faithful to us when we are unfaithful. God hates divorce. Two wrongs never equal a right. Their children will suffer much more if their parents get divorced than if they stay together and work it out. We must all pray that Joshua will repent and stay faithful to God and Anna until the day he dies. This is what we, as the family of God, are called to do; to pray for complete healing and restoration of this family. God is in the business of transforming hearts and bringing beauty out of ashes.

Our life down here is about our faith in God and believing unto the end. It's not about our happiness, our success or anything else. God uses us when we are weak, broken and fragile to test our faith and see if we will believe Him and His many promises to us in spite of our pain and suffering. As we cling to Him by faith throughout our lives and do the hard, obedient and difficult thing, He is glorified. For faith is believing those things which are unseen but we know, without a shadow of a doubt, that He keeps every single one of His promises to us. We are nothing without Him.

Thank you Jesus. We are humbled as we stand in awe of your majesty. 
Help us to endure until the end.

But without faith it is impossible to please him
for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, 
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hebrews 11:6

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Beautiful, powerful words. I hope and pray that Anna and Josh find this and that their family can heal in God's grace.

To be honest, I didn't even know websites that arranged affairs even existed... I'm sure others would say I've lived a sheltered life. I grew up in a strict Catholic family and I remember my mother and father counseling engaged couples (actually, they still do.) They don't believe in birth control or divorce. And while I joined my husband's Protestant church after we married, I'm always grateful for Mom's example. She always put Dad first above herself. I remember her never showing anger, just joy, no matter how tired she was. She has five kids and sacrificed so much for us. A lot of your posts remind me of her. And while my parents and I disagree on some of the things the Catholic Church teaches, I can see how wonderful their marraige is and how much their example helped me and is sill ministering to me. Even after Dad was diagnosed with Parkinson's, my mom has been unwavering in her faith and love to him, and he has always loved and been faithful to her and our family. I remember before getting married listening to their advice about marriage and keeping that promise you make to each other and God to stay with each other through sickness and health and better or for worse. I am so thankful for God's word and that women like you can teach us. When sad things happen to couples like Josh and Anna, it helps knowing there are still a lot of Godly marriages out there.
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What a blessing that you have such a godly role model in your mother, Katie! Not many women have this, unfortunately, even those who come from Christian homes. Yes, there are still many godly, committed couples out there but we will always be a remnant.
The fact that asking if someone should separate from their husband is an indicator of how little Christians understand marriage. I'm glad they are at least asking. It is just quite sad that separation/divorce is such a part of our society that it is seriously discussed as a potential option amongst Christians. I often here people say that in Matthew 5 Jesus allows divorce if a wife was unfaithful "31 “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." But here he is actually speaking to the Jewish community where they were betrothed prior to marriage and wife is actually the betrothed. Every other writing in the New Testament show that marriage is supposed to be for life.

I've also heard Christians say, divorce is okay so long as one of the 'A's is present, Adultery, Abuse or Addiction. I am not sure why they say this except perhaps it sounds both educated and benevolent; modern and hip? Christians seem to often forget the "for better or for worse" aspect of the marriage vows. They just decide that the "for worse" is optional. I think they are also taking the easy way out (not that divorce is easy of course) but being married to someone with these issues is often harder. But God calls us to the narrow path and promises to give us strength to walk it.

Also I believe Christian women ought to realize they they are not without recourse. They don't have to just stay married and do nothing about bad behavior. If their husband is participating in illegal activities, she doesn't have to sit quietly by. But I think it is easier for many women to divorce/separate from their husbands as opposed to standing by them during a conviction that occurred because she had the strength to get the police involved. It is easier to leave the home/or make the husband leave than it is to love the husband through adultery. I know of a Christian program that has an 80% success rate of restoring marriages (even marriages who have already been through divorce). I mention it all the time when I hear about a marriage on the rocks. Of 20 or so couples I've mentioned it to, only one has ever gone through the program (they are still married today after she had an affair 15 years ago). Everyone else seems to have had an excuse and every other couple, except one who is still perhaps hanging on by a thread, are divorced. It was just easier to divorce than to put the investment into keeping their marriage together.
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Amen!!! I love these words of yours, "It is easier to leave the home/or make the husband leave than it is to love the husband through adultery. I know of a Christian program that has an 80% success rate of restoring marriages (even marriages who have already been through divorce). I mention it all the time when I hear about a marriage on the rocks. Of 20 or so couples I've mentioned it to, only one has ever gone through the program (they are still married today after she had an affair 15 years ago). Everyone else seems to have had an excuse and every other couple, except one who is still perhaps hanging on by a thread, are divorced. It was just easier to divorce than to put the investment into keeping their marriage together." This is SO true today!

Josh entered a rehab program today and hopefully it's like the one you mentioned. I am sure godly men are in his life giving him wise counsel on what he needs to do. Yes, our society does what makes them feel good or what they believe to be right instead of checking the Bible for the answers.
I worry about practical matters, like diseases and hygiene, from those involved in infidelity. I believe she shouldn't be physically intimate until blood tests and exams can be performed on both of them. Her leaving him or not will be up to her, it depends on what is going on behind closed doors.

Do you remember Magic Johnson the basketball player? He got HIV from an affair. I believe he had so many he doesn't know exactly where it came from. His wife didnt leave the realtionship. His wife never and children never got HIV. Now he is a Christian. I believed Magic Johnson was used by God to help many others with HIV.
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The diseases are major. I saw a talk show hosted by a priest about 4 years ago while at the Doctor's office. On it they had unfaithful husbands. They also had an older husband to talk with the young unfaithful ones. He had been a basketball player and later a basketball coach. He started cheating on his wife on their honeymoon. They were probably in their early 60s during the filming of the show and his wife stuck with him through 100s (perhaps 1000s?) of infidelities. He later became a Christian and what perhaps looked like foolish behavior to her friends and loved ones during the many years of his infidelities now looked like strength as he loved and honored her. He lifted her up and praised her at the city gates. His life was changed for the better and it was in large part because of her unwavering love for him. But through the course of that time he put her in the hospital numerous times due to serious STDs he passed on to her. They had quite a few children together so not only was she suffering herself, but her children were suffering as she couldn't be the mother she wanted to be while in the hospital. I do think the issue of disease should be addressed. Definitely testing. Abstinence? condoms? I'm not sure but I'd love to hear Lori's and Ken's take on it).
Anyone who has been unfaithful should absolutely be tested for disease and if it comes back positive, they need to always take precautionary measures to protect the innocent spouse. Yes, we can be forgiven for all of our sins but many times, we will suffer for them and have scars to remind us, especially sexual sins as the Bible points out. "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." 1 Corinthians 6:18
Thank you for the comment. This answers my question to a more recent post of yours.
Also, I think sticking with an unfaithful spouse is an especially difficult road in today's world to travel because of our current laws. In the Old Testament an unfaithful spouse could be executed so you didn't have to worry about disease or not being able to remarry (which also helps put Matthew 5 in context). Even years ago infidelity could potentially carry jail time. Now under our lack of adultery laws a Christian is still in every way bound to the adulterer.
Many crimes would be punished through stoning, but we no longer live under the Law since its purpose was to point out our sin and need for a Savior. We now live under the Law of grace, forgiveness and mercy. Any and ALL sin can be forgiven because of what Christ accomplished on the cross for us. As Paul exhorted the church to forgive the man who had sex with his stepmother, we should freely forgive Josh if he is truly repentent. We live under a New Covenant now; a MUCH better one! Josh will suffer and he has suffered. Some crimes like murder are still severely dealt with and may even cost the murderer his life, but adultery is not dealt with in this way or there would be a LOT of people in prison and maybe on death row but it shouldn't be as Paul clearly pointed out.
This is one instance when a wife is well within her rights to refuse intercourse until she knows for certain he has a clean bill of health, and she should insist on being able to verify it, before consenting to be sexually intimate with him again. It is her responsibility to be vigilant of her health and safety in this regard, especially if she has children for whom she is responsible. The husband who is unfaithful cannot use Scripture to insist his wife give him this, because he has deliberately put himself out of the marriage covenant, and he is bound in justice to show her authentic, objective proof from a doctor that he is not tainted with a venereal disease.
Hi Robin,

I am so sorry for your plight in marriage. You are an example that in spite of all a Christian spouse may want to do to honor her marriage, the Lord may be asking her to turn her abusive husband into the authorities so that he might find the discipline necessary to ultimately not only behave properly, but to be restored. Believers are not immune to marrying mentally and emotionally sick people, or marrying someone who is depressed, runs to the doctor for help., and the next thing you know the pills have turned them manic. Separating in such cases where physical welfare of spouse and kids is at stake is a necessary option for some.

I may write a post soon on the issue of dealing with the flesh, and specifically fleshly habits and sins that often stem from childhood and erupt in a marriage. Just because someone has claimed the blood of Jesus as Savior does not remove them from their flesh and past, until such time as they begin to walk by faith in those ares of their life. One can be saved and yet have a compartment filled with sin that they are unwilling to give up. Christ has forgiven their sins on the cross, yet they are clinging strongly to them, for one reason or another.

Also, I do not know about your husband, nor do I know what is true about Josh, but it would not surprise me if drugs or alcohol are not involved. A guy like Josh can be prescribed all kinds of psychiatric type drugs for mood issues only to discover that it sends them into mania. The behavior seen by Josh sure looks like what I have seen in some of the men I have known who in a manic state did many things that they later completely regretted. With millions on these anti-depressants, it wold not surprise me at all to find out that Josh is one of them. Doctors see the drugs as better than leaving the patient depressed, and they know full well that it can turn them into people they would never be without the drugs.
Actually, Ken, I would have to disagree with you there -- I went through severe depression at several points, and once I had to have medication. It literally made it possible for me to get up in the morning. I only needed it for a month, and after that time was able to keep going with regular therapy, which I had for two more months until I was able to discontinue that. The combination made a very bad period navigable. Medications are definitely over-prescribed, but they can be a lifesaver in some select situations.
You're welcome, Robin, and you know I pray for you daily, sweet friend. I'm so happy you found a solid church to help you through this difficult situation. I just heard that Anna's parents want her to stay with Josh and work it out. She is surrounded by many godly people who will help her through this difficult time. There are many marriages in turmoil over porn and infidelity and it'll probably just get worse. However, our God is greater than all and we must continue to cling to our faith in Him for He will NEVER leave us nor forsake us!
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Rajun Cajun · 500 weeks ago

To add my perspective re: divorce, I feel that the Bible does allow (i.e. not promote) divorce for two circumstances (1) adultery (Mat 5:32, 19.9) and (2) abandonment by an unbelieving spouse (1Cor 7:15-17). God does in fact HATE divorce, but he also allows (i.e. not promote) it in the two cases mentioned previously. We can debate this for days (and the debate will continue long after in other circles). I just wanted to share my convictions.
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Here is a paper written by John Piper on why he believes scripture teaches divorce is always wrong and I agree with him. He uses a lot of scripture to back up his argument. Marriage is a covenant between 2 people until death do they part. "For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage." Romans 7:2
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/divorce-remar...
Each Believing spouse in such a circumstance will need to come to their own convictions before the Lord and own their decisions. As you say Rajun Cajun, we can debate the issues, but the Bible does allow for divorce in cases of adultery, and abandonment, although I would expect the abandoning spouse to generally be the one doing the divorcing. I would find it best in keeping with God's Word that the abandoned spouse wait until their spouse has broken the marriage covenant with infidelity before initiating a divorce. In others words, stay single until such a time as the other has clearly walked away.
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Melissa M. · 500 weeks ago

Thank you for this response, Lori! I had been wondering what your response would be and I think you are correct! I had been thinking that she needed leave for a few weeks to be able to step away from the situation and try to work things out with Josh. I also thought Josh needed to be in an intensive inpatient program for awhile. I pray healing and hope for all of them.
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The Duggar Family just issued the following comments. It looks like Josh put himself into a rehab center, probably with the advice from godly men:

We are so thankful for the outpouring of love, care and prayers for our family during this most difficult situation with Josh. As parents we are so deeply grieved by our son’s decisions and actions. His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. He has also brought great insult to the values and faith we hold dear. Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center. For him it will be a long journey toward wholeness and recovery. We pray that in this he comes to complete repentance and sincere change. In the meantime, we will be offering our love, care and devoted support to Anna and our grandchildren as she also receives counsel and help for her own heart and future. During this time we continue to look to God—He is our rock and comfort. We ask for your continued prayers for our entire family.
Thank you for another excellent post that is Biblical. It is so sad that I keep hearing Christians say she should divorce him. That is a perversion of God's Word. Thank you for speaking truth. I get so much encouragement from your posts:)
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You're welcome, Alisha!
I live in Northern Ireland. I am an Evangelical Christian. I believe that Anna Duggar should separate from her husband. He has committed the heinous sin of adultery and is not to be trusted. How could his wife believe anything he says in future? It is disgraceful that so many well-known Christian leaders are adulterers (Doug Phillips, Josh Duggar etc) when Christians are called to holiness. There are some sins which should not even be named among Christians, and adultery is one of them.
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She just may do that and I'm sure no one would blame her especially if he never truly repents but I've seen too many women stay with their cheating husbands and now they have a strong marriage. My Bible study leader won her husband back even though he was in a continuing affair. They ended up having a powerful ministry in the church to married couples. He was so thankful she waited patiently for him in his foolishness. This was witness to the transforming power that the Lord can have on a life that is truly repentant. This is what we need to pray for Joshua. That he truly repents and commits his life completely to serving the Lord. This would be the best thing for the children.
Good post, Lori.

It is also worth noting that there is ZERO scriptural support for wife-initiated divorce even in the case of adultery. Matthew 19 is directed at men.

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