Wednesday, October 2, 2013

Fooling Around Before Marriage


She loves Jesus with all her heart.  Her boyfriend does also.  They want to please Him in every area of their lives but are struggling physically to keep their hands off of each other.  She tries to set strict boundaries but they never seem to be able to keep them.  She is at a loss as to what to do so she asked me for advice.

I told her they needed to get married.  God created us to want sex, especially with the person we love.  Once you start kissing, it gets tough to put the brakes on.  Once you give a bit more, it is almost impossible to go backwards.  The Bible tells us it is better to marry than to burn.

The Duggers teach their children to wait until marriage to kiss.  It is a very good idea but we didn't teach our children this.  We loved kissing, holding hands, and cuddling.  We know, however, how difficult it is to keep your hands off of each other once you start getting serious.

She said they were still dependent upon their parents somewhat but were both working hard.  I still think they need to get married.  A lot of poor people get married.  My dad was just beginning medical school when they got married and they made it.

If the parents have the means to help their children get by while they are finishing their education,  I think they should help them.  Getting married and having children is a blessing and a very good path for your children to be on.  By supporting them, think of it as supporting missionaries.  They may be raising a future godly generation just the way the Lord has designed it.

So if both sets of parents approve and you both love Jesus, get married and soon.  I think three month or shorter engagements are the best.  Once you decide you want to get married, it is much more difficult to remain pure since you know this person is going to be your spouse.

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints.
Ephesians 5:3

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I made this mistake many times before marrying in my 30's. It also gave me a son as a single parent. Praise the Lord, He gives mercy and grace and forgives past sins! I even wrote about some of this myself on my blog (post called "Foolish Girl").

TY for sharing your thoughts--and I pray more girls listen!!!
I was thinking about this just yesterday after I read your husband's post. I've known a lot of religious couples who have gotten engaged and married very quickly to avoid going too far before marriage. But I think the strong desire to be together physically sometimes blinds couples to problems in their relationship that become clear once that fire is quenched on the wedding night. As a result, they have a really hard time adjusting to marriage (which like Ken said, is about a lot more than sex!) or they get divorced within a year or two. Would your advice to get married ASAP be the same for couples who haven't known each other very long, but who are still having trouble keeping their hands off each other?

My husband and I didn't wait until marriage, and I often think about how our experience will inform the advice we give to our future kids. Since we're not Christian, I don't think having sex outside of marriage is wrong. But I'm glad my husband and I have only been with each other, and I think there are convincing practical reasons to not have multiple sex partners and to wait until you are in a committed relationship before having sex. Once you are committed to someone though, I can't really think of a good practical reason to wait until you sign the marriage papers to have sex...?
4 replies · active 599 weeks ago
Courtney- I completely understand where you are coming from and I used to have the same mindset. We didn't wait, and were never given a really good reason to wait. But now I understand why waiting is important: it's because there is an invisible third party whose life is at stake. The child.
Sex makes people. And children deserve to be brought into the world into the arms of a committed mother and father. Marriage is the declaration of that commitment. When people are not fully committed to each other prior to having sex they are risking their future child. And the child ALWAYS pays the price. We have a moral obligation to that child.
Contraception fails ALL THE TIME!!
In the best of circumstances when an unplanned pregnancy happens, the two will go ahead and get married!
Do marriages break up? Yes they do. But the effort means something.
Also, if a couple is marrying JUST for sex, I would really question the depth of their relationship. Sex is all that they want to be together for? That would be a red flag right there. When you're really in love with someone it's the full package of that person.
I met my husband at 16. He was 19. We fell in love right away. We dated for 7 years prior to marriage and no we didn't wait. I don't totally regret it. When we got married we were really ready to be married to each other and have a solid marriage now. While I don't regret it, I do see morally how what we did was wrong. If I had gotten pregnant I suspect we would have gotten married at that time. But again, don't children deserve to be brought into the world with the commitment already in place? Yes I believe they do and I believe that is God's plan. We went against God's plan and I have asked forgiveness for that. I will talk to my children about all of these things. I won't hate them if they don't wait, but I do really want to think about the fullness of what sex means and why it is a moral issue.
4 replies · active 599 weeks ago
Love this and completely agree! My husband and I waited until we were married because of our believes but it was very hard toward the end... however very much worth the wait! We only dated 10 months and were engaged for 8 months, and I just turned 20 and he was 24. We have actually talked about how we should have ignored what others though and got married 6 months earlier (because it would have been better for us financially and shortened our time to wait). 6 years and 4 kids later we don't regret it at all. :)
2 replies · active 599 weeks ago
Easy, don't spend time alone together! Know that the desire to be along together is the beginnings of the thoughts toward the physical contact that will occur. It's not that hard to abstain if you set yourself up for success rather than failure.
I think if a couple commits to waiting, they shouldn't place themselves in situations that would be risky. That being said, I would rather my daughters have sex before marriage, than rush into a marriage out of physical desire. I didn't wait; and I don't regret it. My husband and I, met in college and finished our educations before getting married. We have a solid/loving marriage, that I don't know if we would have had if we had rushed. In my opinion, couples need to be able to support themselves when they marry. I want my daughters to complete their educations before marrying and starting a family.
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Be chaste, marry young and work out your life together. That is what my husband and I did and we have now been happily married for over 34 years with no regrets. We waited to be physical until after marriage and have always been true to each other. That is God's plan. By the way, my husband and I both finished college after we were married and both hold Masters degrees now. We were young and poor and worked things out together and I would not have done it any other way. Thanks for another good post.
1 reply · active 599 weeks ago
Some parents are willing to support a young couple, some are not. My husband was still in medical school when we got married, but we couldn't have done it any earlier since we would have had no means of support. Early marriage can work, but it should not derail long-term education plans. There are also seasons of life where there are extra demands on time. In the early days of our marriage, my husband was working 100 hours/week. If we hadn't already had a strong relationship, the stress of little money, little sleep and little time together could have been overwhelming.

Young couples should also make sure that they are compatible, and not just physically attracted to each other. Good premarital counseling is essential. Being romantic is one thing, but can they manage to discuss finances together? Do they have the same expectations about children and child rearing? Has there been an opportunity to see what the other person's character is like in a natural setting, around their family and friends? Do they know how their partner reacts to stress? The consequences of marital discord are so serious that getting married should not be a hasty decision.

Was it challenging for your children to kiss and cuddle, without going further? I've noticed that the groups where "abstinence-only" actually works are the groups that have the strictest rules (very strict modesty standards, no dating except for the purposes of marriage, no physical contact before marriage, never being alone with someone of the opposite sex prior to marriage, restricted media exposure, restricted opportunities to socialize with the opposite sex). There are people from such groups in my community, and you almost never hear of unwed teens getting pregnant. On the other hand, we see very high unwed teen birth rates among evangelical youth in general. It seems that they are suffering from a mixed message: they may dress like other kids and see the same media messages and have the same opportunities to be with the opposite sex and have the same hormones, but they are not always given sex education beyond a warning to be abstinent.
I don't know, if they are too immature to keep their hands to themselves, it sounds like they shouldn't even be DATING, much less marrying each other.

If I found out my daughter and her boyfriend were making out prior to marriage (something we as a family have agreed is not appropriate during courtship), I would be forced to question their maturity level and re-evaluate our decision to let her court. In fact, I would probably just tell her that the courtship was done until she and the boy in question could learn to keep their hands to themselves.

A successful marriage requires self-control. It also requires strong leadership in the men, but what kind of man puts his hands all over a woman he isn't married to? A pervert and a loser, that's what kind. If he married her, he would be charged with protecting her and makes a covenant with God to do so. If he fails to protect her purity before they even wed, then the guy is clearly poor marriage material.

There is no way myself or my husband would provide a marriage blessing in this situation. Nor would we allow continued courtship.
4 replies · active 596 weeks ago
We're a pantheist/Christian couple who did not wait until marriage to sleep together. Or live together, for that matter. We're also not each other's only sexual partner. That being said, we were each far above the average age for losing virginity when we became sexual. For that reason, I think that we were able to make well-informed decisions about relationships. While we each have "resumes" of past partners, neither of us is ashamed about what those entail. And that is exactly what we plan to teach any future children. The more jobs you have in short periods of time, the less appealing of an employee you become because of what that says about your commitment level. The analogy translates well for sexual/relational history.

To Ken's point, I think we were "lucky" because we were older, extremely responsible and interested in finding a lifetime partner. And maybe the fact that we didn't follow the biblical model but ended up with the same result is proof of the power of God's design of marriage.
I could not agree more! I always thought I would date a person for at least several months to a year, and then have a 6+ month engagement. Then, I met my husband. I knew from the first date that he was THE one. There was no doubt about it. We dated for 3 months, got engaged, and were married 8 weeks later! Yes, it was very fast. But almost 9 years later I have still been able to say every day that it was the best decision EVER. We had originally set our wedding date later, but decided there was no need to wait and moved it up. We were engaged right before our college Christmas break, and were married three days before Valentine's Day. It was a great decision! (However, we don't believe in over the top weddings. We didn't spend that much, but had a beautiful and simple reception after our temple wedding.)
I think the most telling thing about this situation is a phrase in the first paragraph of the post that no one seems to have commented on yet:
"SHE tries to set strict boundaries but they never seem to be able to keep them." (emphasis mine)
Some people might think this is sexist, but honestly, it needs to be the man in a relationship taking the lead on maintaining purity. If it's the woman who is setting the rules, and the man is merely bobbing along to stay in the relationship, of course you're going to have issues! You're probably going to have issues no matter what, but in my experience, my then-boyfriend (now husband) and I were not able to make a decided, permanent change in our physical boundaries until HE became truly convicted and convinced by a talk with his dad and another male Christian mentor that we needed to put on the brakes.

Early marriage would have been an unwise choice for us (and we felt God's calling to be clear on that point), but we managed to maintain our purity until our wedding night because of my husband's great will power, which inspired me to resist and avoid tempting situations as well.
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