Monday, August 25, 2014

Micromanaging Your Children's "Courtship"


Our children did not date much. We raised them to only date when they were ready for marriage and then date someone they thought they may want to marry. Once they found "the one," we let them manage their relationship the way they felt led. We raised them to walk in Truth and they all were well aware of God's ways and what He expects from them.

The Duggars seem to micromanage their children's courtship. When one of their children skype with the one they are dating, the parents are right there with them. When they text each other, the texts go to the parent's phone, I believe. When the couples are together, there always has to be a chaperon with them. They only do side hugs until marriage and no kissing until then, either. Jill and Derrick talked with all of their parents and asked them if they thought it would be okay to hold hands after they were engaged. All the parents thought it would be fine.

This seems overprotective to most people. If I had not been watching the Duggar's show, I would have felt this same way. However, since watching several of the daughters date and now one is engaged and the other newly married, I don't think it is a bad idea. The children love and respect their parent's influence. They absolutely want to remain pure until marriage so they do everything they can to accomplish that goal. They all seem happy with no hint of rebellion in any of them.

Would I be that strict if I were to do it over again? I doubt it. We taught our children when they were young all about purity and trusted them as they got older to do the right thing. All of my married children have strong, happy marriages and I am sure Emily and Steven will have one also. It all comes down to how each family decides to handle the issue of sexual purity.

I am glad we have the Duggars as a visual example of their way of parenting. I have learned a lot from them as you can tell by the number of posts I write about them. They are rare indeed and I too love doing things God's ways and pleasing Him.  If I was just beginning to raise my children, I might do more of the things the Duggars do since they are such a happy, close family. 

I think we should have godly role models in our lives. We didn't really have many in our life when we were raising our children. Even most marriages were not that happy. I don't believe God ever intended it to be that way. The older generation should always be modeling to the younger generation and teaching them the ways of God since society will never do this for us. In fact, it does the complete opposite of God's ways.

For this is the will of God, your sanctification: 
that you abstain from sexual immorality; 
that each one of you know how to control 
his own body in holiness and honor, 
not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles 
who do not know God.
I Thessalonians 4:3-5

***How have you or how do you plan on counseling 
your children through dating and courtship?

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I just love and respect the Duggars. As a young mama I have gained so much wisdom from the show! I doubt we'll be as strict with our kids, but I love how gentle and loving thru are in their discipline and parenting. Michelle is just amazing! I also really liked their concept of sending there kids out in 2's just like Jesus did with his disciples as a way to stay accountable. Just because they are more strict than most didn't mean they are wrong or bad parents like do many people thibk. Plus, it's awesome to have some wholesome shows on tv!
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I believe their whole goal in raising children is to bring honor to the Lord and they are accomplishing this. I am happy they are given such an amazing avenue to share their love of Jesus.
I think the Duggars are wonderful and what they do works for them. But yes, I think in this situation they are over the top. My parents weren't closely involved in my relationship before I was married, and we still remained completely pure, because we were both committed to purity! To be married in an LDS Temple there are strict rules of purity and worthiness, and that had been a goal of mine (and my husband's) our entire lives! There was nothing that would have deterred us from that. We met with our bishop (church leader) throughout our engagement to make sure we were staying on track. I do think the Duggar children would stay pure as well, even without the supervision. I think if you are truly committed to being pure, you will do so on your own without someone constantly watching. :)
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I think accountability is important like your church leader gave you. When you know someone is going to be asking you about your purity, it makes it a lot easier to stay pure. I see nothing wrong with asking your children when they are courting if they are remaining pure. It may actually be a very good idea!
I think the social "open-ness" is a wonderful thing & is a reflection of what God would desire in the church. There is a unique relational accountability in the church that God creates when He knits the hearts of the believers in a wonderful agape love (that is like no other love in the entire world!) A young man who would joyfully submit himself to his elders because he understands authority, relationships, & ultimately love is very unlikely to have hidden impure, selfish motives. True character is revealed in community! The Duggars are incredibly wise parents who love their children & want the best for them. Their children understand this & trust their parents guidance & protection! Love & prayers, in Jesus, Cynthia
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Great words, as always Cynthia! Thank you.
Sure, Wendy, you can link them up! I will be interested in reading them.
This was the first one, which has had half a million views! http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-f... and then his Q&A which followed on http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-f...
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I do agree with him somewhat. I can see his point of view. We raised our children in the middle ground. Every guy who dated our daughters didn't have to ask Ken. We raised our daughters with wisdom in choosing a spouse and allowed them to choose who to date. We didn't want them to date in junior high or high school but a few of my children did date in high school a little bit but never alone. We weren't thrilled about it and let them know. Nothing came out of those relationships. We certainly didn't micromanage their relationships and choosing their spouses. They did it all on their own but they certainly wanted our input and confirmation of their final choice! I hope the statistics on courting and divorce aren't as high as he states. That would be very sad.
I read the blog Wendy is referring to this morning and I didn't agree with him. One thing that really struck me was that his grandmother started dating in middle school. I know times were different back then but middle school seems too young to be dating. She ended up dating 20 different men before she got married. I wish that I had done things differently and waited on the Lord's timing. I thought several different guys were the one and made so many bad choices in my dating years. I wish my parents would have been more protective during those years. My oldest child is 6 so we have a while to pray and seek the Lord on behalf of our children.
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I agree, Ashley. I wish my parents had been more protective in my dating years. Things were much more innocent during the years my parents and his grandparents were dating. I was dating after the 60s, after the sexual revolution and felt completely unprotected from the guys. We were much more vigilant about talking with our children than my parents were. We wouldn't let them go on dates alone in high school and they all knew clearly what they were looking for in a spouse when they were older.
It's important to see the distinction that he makes between dating and going steady.
I love the Duggars! I wanted 12 children so I live my life vicariously through them:) I am not only blessed to have a visual on what I want my sons life to be like through them but also my church teaches courtship and he will grow up with a group of kids being raised that way.
The Duggars truly fascinate me. I find myself both inspired and repelled by the things they do! I question the "seem happy". Are they really happy? Or are they just supposed to look happy? Does it matter? I don't know. All I know is that they are brave people and I find them uplifting. I know I don't have the personality to micromanage. I agree with the way you handled things with your children in that regard.
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I believe they are truly happy. The camera men have stated that they act the same whether the cameras are rolling or not. Their joy comes from the Lord!
Rules at my home were simple - no solo dates till 16 and respect what my parents saw as appropriate boundaries until we were out of their home. I appreciated the simplicity and also the ability to question their dating standards. If my opinion about premarital sex differed from theirs, it was an opinion I could have but was expected not to act on while under their daily care. I expect to do exactly the same if I have children.

Here is my question - what would happen if a child from a very strict home breaks these rules? If the rules are structured around he importance of purity, how does a parent discipline a child for having a differing viewpoint?
My parents were very involved in our courtship pre-marriage but not to this extent--for us I think that was a good thing. Our relationship was long-distance and I'm glad that I was able to tell my fiance at the time "I love you" and "I miss you" and even just talk about the silly daily activities of everyday life without knowing that each email would be previewed by my parents first. Also, I think there's some conversations that couples who are courting throughout their engagement should have that parents don't necessarily need to be a part of--i.e. plans and expectations for future, finances, talking about dreams and hopes together....and talking about what we like and don't like about our own families traditions and which traditions we want to take into our own little family and which we don't want to continue. It would have been hard to talk to my fiance about how my biggest fear in marriage was marrying a man who had an anger problem and uses emotional abuse the way my Dad does if my Dad were observing the conversation....I love courtship, I love my parents and that they were involved, but I'm glad we also had some freedom for serious conversations in the months before we were married.
Here is a personal testimony from someone who was raised this way and offers a very different perspective on the result.
http://www.xojane.com/sex/true-love-waits-pledge
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I read the above "testimony". It's clear this is not a true Christian testimony, as the young woman makes it clear that she does not have a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus....instead she blames the church for having sexual problems. My testimony is the opposite....promiscuous from a young age, much shame & guilt involved. The Lord used an incredible book, (The Act of Marriage, by Tim & Beverly LaHaye ) to release me from loads of guilt & shame, & also to look at sexuality with a pure mindset. That young woman's problems come from Satan, not from the church, & she still has a distorted view because she is not following Jesus.
Thank you for reading and commenting on this, Cynthia. I completely forgot about it!
By what yardstick can one measure what a "true Christian testimony" is? Struggles like this women described are all too common in the Christian community and it should not just be passed over as some problem that not a true follower of Christ has. Valeria makes some great points about what this girl likely experienced, especially about being fed a mix of fear and illusion. Another common story is the use of passive guilt to ensure abstinence. People being made to feel guilty about performing sexual acts can't just change that mindset over night. Sadly this can often lead to years of awkward sexual experiences, likely counseling and even divorce.
I read this article and felt really really sad for this girl, but I think that her church teached her a lot of wrong things about sex, they teached her that sex is bad, sex is dirty but when you get married suddently sex becomes wonderful, a fairy-tale moment. This is irrealistic, especially your wedding night. It looks like they fed her with a mix of fear and illusions; you don't save your virginity for your husband because you are afraid to go to hell or because you think that in this way your marriage will last forever (Being pure si a good place to start but it is not enough, a marriage requires also sacrifice, faith, communication) you do that because you love God and you trust him (He invented sex, so He knows how to "handle" it) and because you love your husband, even If you didn't met him yet, and you don't want to give yourself away to other men.
She also says that when she told her then boyfriend that she wanted to save sex for marriage he said " ok, your body, your choice"; well this doesn't sound very christian to me.
I really hope she will return to God.
I find it interesting that a few days before this, I spent some time prayerfully trying to define a Christian testimony. It's not just randomly recalling events in our life. We don't tell our stories for entertainment either. A true testimony gives glory to God & includes our salvation. I don't have all the answers, but that young woman clearly states that she left the church. 1 John 3:14 "We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren."

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