Tuesday, June 4, 2013

Seeds Of Rebellion


If you see any signs of rebellion in your children, please deal with it when they are very young.  The younger you deal with this, the better chances you have of raising children who are not rebellious.  The first place to start is when you ask them to do something, do they do it right away?  If not, deal with it quickly. 

One young woman told me when she asked her two and a half year old son to come to her to change his diaper, he ran away.  I told her she must take a wooden spoon or some other object and spank him on his bottom hard enough so it will hurt.  She told me it worked beautifully.  She never had to spank him because if she just shows him the spoon, he obeys.  The best thing would be for a child to obey you before he even sees the spoon!

I realize spanking a child is very controversial in today's climate.  However, I will always teach what the Bible teaches regardless of what "the experts" are saying.  Rebellion is a terrible thing and must be dealt with or you may end up having a child that causes much pain in your life later on.

Make sure you recognize true rebellion.  If a child whines a lot, have a certain place you make them sit until they can control themselves.  This is teaching them self-control which is important for them to learn.  Whining isn't rebellion unless you tell them to stop and they continue.  Any time they don't obey you, it is rebellion so deal with it.

The sooner you deal with it, the easier raising children will be for you.  I have seen way too many parents allow their children to continually disobey them when they were growing up and the children turned into rebellious adults who usually resent their parents.  Children want to be self- disciplined but it must be taught to them.  Their lives will be so much easier if you take the time to discipline them when they are young and obey you promptly.

Whoever spares the rod hates his son,
but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Proverbs 13:24

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Cannot express how much I needed this today! Yesterday was a bad day around here with my almost 3 year old and newly turned 1 year old. I was at my wits end. I will forward this to my husband as he is at a loss also. Needed this so much!!!! Also, I have posted before about this but your teachings have absolutely transformed my marriage. Cannot believe the fruits that have come from your good work obeying God and mentoring younger women. I hope to one day be able to do the same. As this marriage is truly a testament to God's work in my marriage. But right now I am just taking things one day at a time and praising God in all circumstances as you have taught. You are a blessing, Lori! Still praying for you every night!
1 reply · active 616 weeks ago
What are you thoughts on the "Why?" phase. Both of my 3-year-olds have started this to the extreme after EVERYTHING we tell them to do or not to do. How did you handle this phase?
8 replies · active 607 weeks ago
Absolutely correct. We have an 18-month old and we never let her get away with disobedience. Once we are sure she understands what we want her to do, she is required to obey. And we rarely have to spank her since she knows she has to obey and just does it.

Also, we never let her get away with temper tantrums. Even when she was too little to understand she was doing wrong, when she threw a fit and screamed (as opposed to simply crying...there's an obvious difference) she never got what she wanted until she stopped. We didn't spank her since she didn't know it was wrong to throw a fit, but it delayed her getting what she wanted so she figured out pretty quick that throwing fits was counterproductive. Now she never throws fits.
1 reply · active 614 weeks ago
I can relate to the wooden spoon story, and yes i agree it works. I would only have to open the kitchen cabinet were the wooden spoons were kept and my children quickly chose to obey. My children were the ages of 2-7 years of age, and for some reason i stopped spanking them. I felt that my children were getting too big for spankings. Now my kids are ages nine and ten and they run the house. I could share stories with you, but you probably wouldn't believe it, that's how unbelievably disrespectful my two children are.My question is this. Do you feel that a child can out grow the need for a spanking? How old is too old?
3 replies · active 616 weeks ago
Can I ask how you approach the Old Testament? I've always been curious about that. There are those verses in Deuteronomy about stoning a rebellious son to death, but no one would do that nowadays. I've heard that the Old Testament law was fulfilled with Jesus, but I guess I don't know what that means exactly… I hope you don't mind me asking.
8 replies · active 607 weeks ago
Hey Lori, it's my first time here. I understand your perspective - it just sounds harsh when I say it out loud or even visualize the strategy. Maybe my child isn't rebellious enough to merit this path. I can't say for sure as I haven't been in anyone elses shoes.
2 replies · active 614 weeks ago
Thank you... I needed to read this. My daughter is 19 months old and she is beggining to run from me when I ask her to come and to also scream and throw temper tantrums when I take something away or tell her 'no'. My husband says I need to discipline her more because she knows what she is doing but I am not sure how to start. I have started spanking her with my hand but it doesnt really make a difference. Maybe I will try the spoon idea... I hate spanking with my hand. It really stresses me out to think about causing her pain though. I was abused (hit, kicked, strangled) often as a young child and I do not want to hurt my daughter.
4 replies · active 615 weeks ago
As a non-Christian, this discussion makes me nervous. It seems to me that the more we learn about the brain and child development, the more apparent it is that corporal punishment is unethical. But I understand that when it goes against what the Bible says, Christians are distrustful of research studies, science, and "the experts" (or people who devote their lives to studying these things). It makes me nervous because I wonder where the line is drawn? Parents are allowed to follow their religious convictions and spank their children. But what if someone believed that the command in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (that I was asking about earlier) was still in effect? "If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place… Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death…" Should we allow them to do that because it is their conviction?
4 replies · active 616 weeks ago
I'm grateful to God to have 3 children, now 9, 11 and 14, who are well-behaved, praised by teachers and friends, respectful and moral.

They have never been spanked. We have found more effectively ways to maintain discipline and teach respect.

I say this not to brag (I believe that God controls the outcome far more than I do), but to say that it IS possible to have a good outcome without causing children physical pain.

Since this is a case, and it is possible to raise decent children with or without spanking, why choose to spank if it is not necessary? We are commanded to love others as we love ourselves, and to treat others as we would like to be treated. Our children are included in this.

Today, more than ever, the world threatens to exert negative influences on our children. We need them to have a rock-solid relationship with us, so that they WANT to follow our moral example, confide in us and follow our moral instruction. If that is impaired - and we do have testimony from many who unfortunately have left the path due to harshness - we will lose our children to the street.
Here are a few suggestions that I found useful in training my children:

1. Ask yourself "is this something that will be an issue when my child is 20?" I don't know developmentally-normal adults who stick fingers in electric sockets, or who run away from diaper changes. These are simply practical issues, not moral ones. On the other hand, there are many adults who do not treat others with respect, or who do not have good relationships with siblings. In these areas, it is important to cultivate good moral values.

2. Act, don't yak. Instead of yelling from across a room, or repeating requests and threats, simply go right up to a child, get down close enough so that they can hear you without having to yell, make eye contact, and give an instruction ONCE. Then, act upon it. A tv gets turned off, an object gets removed before it can be thrown, a tot gets picked up and changed, a child gets taken outside to finish putting on coat and boots, car seat buckles are done up, etc. No opportunity is given for rebellion - it is nipped in the bud, without argument, anger or punishment. I find that after I act, protests go away since it is a done deal.

3. Train yourself to encourage, notice and praise good character. Write a "good deed note" each day on a green post-it, and then stick in on a "good deed tree" on the wall, as a leaf. A child as young as 2 or 3 can help put away a toy, or play nicely with a sibling, or give a kiss to cheer up mommy or daddy, or help put a can in the food pantry drop-box, etc. Kids love attention, and this lets them get it in a positive way.

4. Be a role model. Set an example of moral conduct, and of love and respect. Children also respect parents more when the parents respect each other.

5. Build a loving relationship. A small child who comes to you with small problems will grow into a big teen who will be willing to come to you with bigger problems. Don't allow a child to become closed off and reluctant to confide in you.
2 replies · active 607 weeks ago
If you, as a parent, can't take control of your two and a half year old without beating them... I think you need a few lessons in raising children.

It is absolutely sickening for me to read you encouraging parents to beat their children at all, but especially when they are so young and haven't even done something that is morally wrong. Absolutely sickening and sad.

I will be praying that God changes your view, so you start to live with GRACE.

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