Friday, September 25, 2015

Encouraging Each Other in Our Sin?


She has a blog with a HUGE following. She wrote about driving to church and getting in an argument with her husband about disciplining the children. Then she admitted that we are all like this; we sin and are far from perfect. I commented about not arguing and how my husband and I argued for 20 years and now we rarely argue. Then all the other comments from this blog thanked this women for being real because they are were like her and argued with their husbands. I was at a Bible Study years ago and one of the women admitted that she is so undisciplined; she eats way too much and her home is a mess. Then the leader of the group said, "Oh yes, I struggle with anger. It just seems to get the better of me many times." Everyone admitted all of their failures and sins with each other.

So is THIS what the Christian life is supposed to look like? Admitting all of our sins and failures becomes our greatest encouragement to others? If an unbeliever is listening to all this artificial Christian encouragement, what would they think of the power of the Spirit of God to change lives? What would make them want to become a Christian??? YES, we are called to confess our sins to one another and pray for each other that we may be healed, not talk about all of our sins and act like there's nothing we can do about it! And I doubt very much that this was the confession setting James was referring to where we all get together and commiserate over our times of dabbling in, or wallowing in, the mud of fleshly sins.    

Paul wrote two long letters in the New Testament to the church at Corinth. They were the most messed up church in the NT. Near the beginning of his second book he wrote, Now thanks be unto God, which always causes us to triumph in Christ, and makes manifest the savor of His knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savor of Christ in them that are saved, and in them that perish: to the one we are the savor of death unto death; and to the other the savor of life unto life {2 Corinthians 2: 14, 15}. Then Paul says that he does not corrupt the Word of God but he teaches it boldly, for God's Word is the ONLY thing that convicts of sin, and frees us from sin that we may walk in holiness.

Others should be drawn to our lives for our sweet aroma of life. They should be able to see Jesus in all that we do. Yes, we will stumble but it is NOT where we will stay or wallow anymore since we are triumphant in Christ! We should be encouraging, exhorting and rebuking others to walk in obedience to the Lord;  in the grace that He has so abundantly provided by giving us His Holy Spirit to dwell inside of us! 

Do you realize that the New Testament writers rarely focused on talking about sin in a Believer's life, but instead focused mainly upon our New Life in Christ, dead to sin and alive to Christ Jesus. They challenged the Believer to "put on the New Man" and to "walk in righteousness;" a far cry from what far too many Christians believe, or encourage each other with in our groups. We are NEVER called to encourage each other in our sin as so many do today. This accomplishes NOTHING good except for everyone to feel better about their sin since everyone else does it. Only one time in Romans 7 did the apostle Paul do this, and he was probably referring to his life before he was saved. Imagine Paul sitting around in a Bible study shaking his head and saying, "yes sister Sue, I sin every day." No way! Paul was all about daily victory over sin, not woe is me for I am failing too, like you. 

We are called saints and the children of the most high God. Now we must stop focusing on our sins and start focusing on walking in these new realities of our life in Christ. You will get what you think about most in life, so if our mind is focused on sin, we will sin, but if we focus upon the promises of God that we are indeed free from sin, we can learn to walk as Jesus walked. Therefore, encourage each other towards godliness and obedience to the Lord, and be no longer in bondage to sin. Encourage each other in righteous living, not that we have arrived, but that we press on for the prize in Christ Jesus.

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I went to a Christian college, and Bible classes were required. I took a class on Romans, and that was the point where it "clicked". The professor opened the class by saying, "We are all broken people, but that's ok. God loves you." Of all the classes I took, that may be the one sentence that I remember verbatim. It's Him, not me. Thanks for the reminder.

Hope you're feeling better soon!

Angela
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

It's actually NOT okay that we are broken. It is why Jesus had to come to earth and die for us to transform us from broken people to be heal by the Blood of the Lamb. It is good to admit we are broken so that we can be "fixed" by God--confession of sin. BUT then submission to God brings forth a Miracle of Transformation that is called the NEW BIRTH. Old things are gone and the NEW has come. We serve a RISEN Savior not a defeated martyr.
We are raised in newness of life.
We are new creations.
We are saints not sinners.
We are victors over sin not victims of sin.
We are a part of Church taken out of this worldly system.
Hope is the most powerful medicine!
We have hope for eternity.
We have hope today to be overcomers.
We have hope to be reconciled with God and men.
IF you are still broken, God wants to heal you from the inside out. We come as we are but we never remain the same.
Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Congratulations on a superb article! We need more voices on this issue. "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How can we that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?" Romans 6:1
So why are people still living in Romans 7, which is NOT the normal Christian life but Paul's rememberances of his life of trying to follow the law. We have to get to Romans 8 to be what God has planned for us.
Thank you for bringing this up. I hear so many people who seem to *glorify* their sinfulness instead of being ashamed and repenting of it.
But OSAS/Calvinism has been a source of perpetuating a *sinning* religion.
1-If we are "born sinners" then we just can't help sinning even after the Grace of God is applied to our lives. This is broken theology. It is not from the Bible.
2-Christ came to not only forgive us but to cleanse us from all sin AND actually have power over sin. We are MORE than conquerors through Christ. What an unbiblical *gospel* to say the "I am just an ole sinner, saved by grace". The Bible says, "The old is gone and new has come". You are a new creation not still an ole sinner as the song seems to say.
3-We are not delivered from ever being tempted (temptation is not sin) but 1 Corinthians 10:13 says every temptation has a way of escape through the Grace of God. (Evil thought vs. thinking with evil intent).

Christ came to set us free from the bondage of sin but just forgive us so we can remain in our sin.
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

*correction of last sentence
Christ came to set us free from the bondage of sin NOT just to forgive us so we can remain in our sin.
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Rajun Cajun · 496 weeks ago

Is Dennis saying that it is possible to live a sinless life? If so, what are your thoughts on this?
I will let Dennis speak for himself, but between running back and forth from the hospital where Lori had to spend another night, let me weigh in on the subject.

Positionally, meaning our position as children of God, freed from sin and its bondage, no sin will be held against us that can keep us from an eternity with our Creator. Is that not a comforting thing to know that our sins past, present and future are forever gone in terms of condemning us!?! Christ paid for the sins of the whole world at the cross and all we have to do to obtain such limitless forgiveness is to believe in Him and His promises.

Now that we know this new reality, far too many Christians do not believe it fully, nor do they even want to be freed from sin. Like a dog returning to their vomit they keep running back to the same sins that so easily ensnare them, and then we take solace in the fact that others are doing the same.

What Lori's post is all about, and I believe what Dennis is saying, is that we may continue to sin, but we do not have to anymore. We can choose to say "No" to sin in almost every circumstance. One may have a fleshly struggle with sin that they decide to carry with them into the New Life in Christ, but the moment that we believe fully, and trust fully on God's promises is the moment we will be completely free from at least known sin. Subconsciously we may sin against others if our personality has a certain struggle, and we at times may sin not because of something we did, but because we knew we were to help someone or say something, etc. and we chose not to out of fear that we might look bad or it may cost us too much time or money. Such sins may be common to Christians but are rarely talked about as sin.

True, full blown disobedient sin, where I am angry and yell, or I watch an R rated movie I should not watch, or I decide to lie or steal... these are the sins I believe Dennis is mainly referring to. WE can choose to say "No" to each and every one of those sons and some Believers lead very godly lives where it is tough to find a sin in them. That is the life we should all aspire to... not this "woe is me... I can't help it with the rest of the Christians out there."

If God calls us to holiness do we not think that He can grant this to us if we are willing to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh? Of course he can. But that means we have to give up our "friends" (our known sins that we want to carry with us in life). To believe God at His word is to believe that the God of the universe lives inside of us, every moment of the day. Now really, would we sin at all if we fully believed this to be true? Well let's start believing it because it is true for the Christian!

The pastor who stands in his pulpit day after day lamenting that he too is a sinner does a great disservice to his people. He should be preaching all the Word of God, and especially the Word given to the Church which is the body of Christ and should be acting like Christ for all the world to see. No matter how strong his struggle with sin is, he must proclaim what the apostles proclaimed that those who are children of God don't sin. That means they don't practice known sins, and righteousness, not sin characterizes their lives.

Lori is coming home again in a couple hours...
I too can't speak to what Dennis means but Jesus told us in Matthew, "48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." I often forget this but I think Jesus wants us to remember it always. I often hear Christians dismissing being perfect as impossible without further investigation into what Christ means here.
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Great point. Christians are more afraid of becoming perfect in the sight of God than calling themselves sinners and living that way. Biblical Christian perfection is not absolute unimprovable perfection that only God has. Christian perfection is loving God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. It is being restored to Edenic relationship with God. Can God do this in men? With God nothing is impossible.
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

What does the Bible say? Can we say 'no' to sin? 1 Corinthians 10:13 says that God provides perfect power to overcome ALL sin. Do you doubt that? Is God not powerful enough to do that? That is really the question you need to be asking instead of trying to create the straw man of the "sinless perfection" theme. That is an old line to keep people in bondage to their sin. (Your "sinless perfection" argument is saying: Show me a person that absolutely never sins, then I will believe what the Bible says about sin and the power to overcome.)
If the Blood of Christ is not powerful enough to give us victory over sin then what can it do? I believe in the all-sufficiency of the power of the Blood of Christ to save us from ALL sin, not save us IN our sin. IF there is a way to escape from every temptation according to 1 Corinthians 10:13, why would you not want to take advantage of that? Do you not want to overcome every sin? Or is there a sin you want to hold on to? Is that really trusting Jesus, to hold on to any sin and not want to overcome it? Christians do sin from time to time but it is not the godly norm.
1 John 1:6
If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

I would suggest you read the entire Book of 1 John. Really read what it says. Does it advocate a "sinning" faith? Romans 6 tells us Grace does not abound by continuing to sin. Jesus Christ has victory for everyone who trusts Him. Why is that so hard to believe?
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

BTW--All sin is potentially covered by the Blood of Jesus. But notice what Ezekiel says in chapter 18:
26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. 27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

This is not physical death because all people die. It means die in their sin. You do not have a pass on your so-called future sins. That is what the Roman Catholic Church tried to do with indulgences--a forgiveness pass for future sins. That is the main reason for the Reformation--indulgences. So we must confess our sins to be forgiven. Why would we not want to confess and forsake? Please be careful when you talk about "positional" salvation. Salvation is real and current. You cannot be positionally "right" with God and continue to do what is wrong. God is not fooled by this sloppy theology. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God."
"The soul who sins shall die." Ez 18:20
On the contrary, Indulgences are meant to be relief from temporal punishments due to PAST sins that have already been forgiven. They have nothing to do with "future sins".
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Originally, indulgences were for the purpose you state but in actual practise, as often happens, it became much different. RCC has officially rejected the idea of forgiveness of future sins but felt it necessary to educate about this since people did actually believe that plenary indulgences could include future sins. I stand corrected. This has given me a chance for further learning. Thanks.
My question: Why do some Protestants still believe in forgiveness on sins yet to be committed? Bibles says IF we confess we will be forgiven. Are we confessing the sins we are planning to commit when God has provided a way of escape? Coming to Christ is turning towards Him and away from sin and following Him.
This is a much needed word for today! I tried to attend a ladies Bible study at a former church and the moderator wanted to get to know everyone. She asked what we liked to watch or listen to the most and she called on me first. I answered that I really love to listen to sermons by Dr. John MacArthur. She remarked, "well aren't you the deep one!". Her next statment revealed her true motive... "No, ladies what shows do you really watch...let's be honest". The ladies begin to call out the names of television programs that come on during the evening hours. Most of them I didn't know but she was excited. She was thrilled that they were opening up and showing their "honest" side. Pretty much turned me off and I never went back. There were a lot of young unchurched mom's in the group and this popular lady missed a great opportunity to model Christ. We are called to be different, salt and light in a corrupt world. Loving the things of this world only leads us further from living Christlike.
Oh no, I am so sorry to learn Lori is in the hospital! Praying for her healing. She is such a blessing to everyone.

Thanks for posting this article. It is very timely in today's world. I love to peruse blogs on organizing etc. and oftentimes they will post a "keeping it real" shot. These aren't a big deal as they tend to then organize them but I see so many women truly happy when they see the "keeping it real" posts from other women. It is like they are valuing themselves based on what other people do/don't do. It is okay if their house isn't neat because so-in-so's isn't neat all the time either. That is NOT at all inspirational to me. I am inspired to do better when I see better. Having women letting it "all hang out" doesn't motivate me to do/be better. I'm not looking to feel better about myself/ lack of discipline/my/sin but to actually be better. I don't know how one is supposed to accomplish that when they are looking at a bunch of failure. Honestly I think many women would prefer to feel good about themselves and have a "positive self-image" rather than seeing their sin for what it is and trying to do better.
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This is so very true! As long as we "feel good about ourselves", we can conduct ourselves how ever we please. How is that different from the world? C'mon, ladies! "Pursue after the high calling that is Christ Jesus"! (paraphrase, Philippians 3:14)
I'm so sorry to hear Lori once again had to stay in hospital. She'll be so glad to be home soon. Praying for you...
Lifting up you and Lori!
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Again in Ezekiel 19:
24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die.
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Linda Marks · 496 weeks ago

I just put Christian words to the popular Disney song, "Let It Go". It deals with this topic and I agree that we can be set free from sin. The scripture states that we are set free from "the law of sin and death". It has no more power over us! Thanks be to the power of the blood of Jesus Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oglZziDgzM
I appreciate this so much! It truly seems that we are pointed at as "judgmental" and "goody two shoes" and the like, if we surrender our lives and strive daily to walk in the faith. It's not that we do NOT sin, or are incapable of it (that would be a false doctrine and a lie) but rather, that we OUGHT to be ashamed of our sin, and not continue in it! Likewise, all the mediocrity with women today...all the calls to, "Well you don't know what I go through, so that's why I am x, y, z..and because you point out how we need to change by the power of the Holy Spirit, you are being haughty, prideful and judging me", is so incredibly frustrating and sad.

The truth is, we are not to compare ourselves against one another and therefore pat ourselves on the back for our failings, and mediocrity. We aren't called to "just get by" and wear our dirty sweat pants and slippers to the store, because "we don't have to do better". After all, "Jesus doesn't care how we look/act/speak/think, etc". What a sad reflection of Christian culture we are today!

We are to pursue after His Righteousness! We are to daily pick up our cross and follow Him. ..not because we believe we are better than someone, or perfect..but because He has saved us from a life worthless in sin.

God Bless you, Lori. I am praying fervently for your recovery. Much love to you and Ken.
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Amen
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Dennis Marks · 496 weeks ago

Lord Jesus, help Lori right now. Bring your healing in your time. We only want what you desire for her. In Jesus's Name Amen.

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