Friday, March 11, 2016

Should We Debate Others?


A very close friend of mine grew up in a home that loved debating. Every sermon they listened to, they would find the few lines in it that they disagreed with and debated it. As she grew up, she realized that this was really being critical and causing strife. Is there anything good that comes out of debating?

We are called to be peacemakers and seek peace with all men. Most times when we begin to debate someone about something, it quickly turns into strife and arguing which is sin. Then one gets offended and walks off. My friend learned to state her opinion and then leave it at that. She never found it beneficial to force her opinions on others. Everyone loves this friend of mine.

It's so easy for the strong personality types like mine to want to be right and debate or argue our case until everyone agrees with us, but is this the way the Lord wants us to behave? NO! We are called to have gentle and quiet spirits and this is NOT being gentle and quiet. It's demanding our way and being selfish. Even if we are right, we are wrong since we care more about being right than loving others and esteeming them more important than ourselves.

Since it is the Presidential election time, we are watching a lot of debates and some of the haven't been pretty. Some of the men know how to state their case and be kind about it while others do not. They have to call each other names, belittle them, put them down, and try to destroy their reputation. When you are in a discussion with someone, it is better to state your case and be kind about it like some of these men are doing.

Next time you listen to a sermon and you know the preacher is a man of God, learn to enjoy his sermons instead of picking them apart. I never remember my parents criticizing the pastor on the way home from church. Ken and I will discuss the sermon and once in a while, we will share something we disagreed with in the sermon but not too often. One family I know would tear apart every sermon and the preacher on their way home from church and now none of their children are walking with the Lord.

We must be very careful when we are critical of others; is it to point out sin in them and help them to correct it or is it simply to tear them down and hurt their reputation? Nobody is going to agree with anybody else 100% so we need to be careful on how we disagree with them. God commands, "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers" {Ephesians 4:29}. We should be known more for building others up, instead of tearing them down, even when we disagree with them.

This should definitely be happening in the home between a husband and a wife. No, your husband isn't perfect but instead of dwelling on all of his imperfections and even pointing them out, begin to dwell on those qualities that are good about him since you are commanded to do this. You will be a much happier person to live with if you begin building him up, instead of debating with him about everything you don't like about him and tearing down his ideas and opinions. 

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Becky Groff · 472 weeks ago

I too have a strong personality:). That is why I enjoy reading Lady Lydia and Mrs. White from "The Legacy of Home". You can tell they have a gentle and quiet spirit. I can't watch the debates, it is too distressing. I haven't stuck my head in the sand, but I am trying to focus on "Tranquility at Home" LOL. .Thanks for the post.
Becky
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
Great post this morning, and very timely :). I also struggle with watching the debates sometimes. All of the fighting and yelling makes me feel anxious!

I heard this morning that Ben Carson has chosen to endorse Trump, and that he would be a member of office should Trump win. Knowing that Carson is a wonderful Christian man with a gentle and quiet spirit, what do you think of this? As much Trump's behavior (as well as some of his stances) really troubles me, after lots of careful research (I try to stay away from conspiracy-type stuff) and prayer, I do not feel peace about the other candidates either. I think they are all too much of "insiders" and that ultimately, they are "controlled" by the system. What I mean when I say this is that although they say all of the right things (and may not be bad people), they are in with the system and make decisions that go along with the system while understanding that the system will "take care" of them. One thing that I see as a positive with Trump is that he is not a politician, therefore not a political insider. (But honestly, I'm still not sure I could ever support him.)

Lori, it is so easy to become discouraged about this whole situation! I appreciate both yesterday and today's post... Such great reminders. I will take your advice about detaching from news/politics, as it is not what we should be focusing upon.Thank you for your ministry that blesses and encourages women :).
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
"We must be very careful when we are critical of others; is it to point out sin in them and help them to correct it or is it simply to tear them down and hurt their reputation? "

Love this whole post, Lori! Yes, I've deifnitely thought about this topic before. I've written a few posts on it over the years,

How Do You Speak the Truth without Offending People? http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2014/02/27/ho...

Being a Woman of Grace http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2015/06/23/be...

Having Joy in Spite of (when people attack or try to ruin your reputation - how to respond) http://girlwithadragonflytattoo.com/2015/11/16/ha...
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
Very interesting post and yes, I have a strong personality when it comes to politics and have gotten into heated arguments, the ones I'm very much trying to avoid lately... the best thing is that the USA is a free speech country and we must respect how each one of us feel and the candidate that wins is because of We The People elected.
Last nights GOP debate was very civil, but we must remember they're trying to win against each other, even if sometimes it looks like a circus!
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
Oh... thank you for always having such great inspiration for us to live by.
Hubby and I do detach ourselves a lot from bad news and actually, that's all there is, BAD NEWS on the media, which are so vies at times, making up stories or personalities about people we don't know yet. I know that must be a sin and nothing our Lord would like from us.

Have a blessed weekend, my friend.
FABBY
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TheJoyFilledWife · 472 weeks ago

I really admire my husband in this area. He is one of the best I've seen in this area. He has the unique ability to go back and forth with someone he doesn't agree with, yet make them feel respected and heard. Many times they end up changing their position and agreeing with him genuinely in the end. There have even been unbelievers tell him that he has really inspired them to want to know more about Christianity because of how he treated them.

I think God gives some people the ability to really evangelize in a way that reaches people at all levels. My husband gets energized by doing this and I am always inspired when I hear him and see how positively even strong-willed people respond, but this is definitely not a gift God has given me. I get drained very quickly from debating and, since it's not a gift God has given me to do will, I prefer to focus on the ones He has equipped me with and reach out to those who are teachable. :-)
4 replies · active 472 weeks ago
Yes! So glad you've taken the time to encourage people in this area! I wrote a similar article about a year ago, "Against Debate": http://journeyoftheword.com/2015/05/05/against-de....

I can certainly relate to the sermon critiquing, as my family often made it a practice of analyzing Sunday's service over lunch! You make some very good points here, and I thank you!
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
So good! My husband and I occasionally discuss politics and we are always in agreement, but we are very conscious to not discuss with others and we never argue about it. I always ask myself when a conflict comes up or if I should argue my point is will this discussion do anything to better the kingdom of God?

I struggle with how to handle conflict that is inevitable. For example I recently majorly offended my mother-in-law because we wouldn't allow her to take our 2 1/2 year old to her house (6hours away) for 12 days. I'm not OK with this and neither in my husband. We tried to explain that he can't communicate, he wouldn't understand that it's just a visit and he's never been away from his 3 siblings. We feel this is unneeded and would cause anxiety for him and me. However they won't let it go. Then, my sister-in-law was visiting and tried to convince me to be comfortable with this and I should let her take each of my kids once a year because she did and they are grandparents. I've offered to come visit in the summer for an extra week with me and the kids, and my husband is good with the extra travel expense, but they want and almost demanding onr on one time for at least a week at a time and are offended that we aren't going with their plan.

They are good people, but can be very passive aggressive and I'm not sure how to handle it and keep peace when I'm directly confronted (my husband handles most of the communication). I feel extremely guilty for just not being ok with this...and I have no desire to cause division.
4 replies · active 472 weeks ago
Aw Brit, you are the parents... I as a grandma would totally understand not taking a young one that far away.... Lol my husband and I have taken grands home late at a night a few times because they decided they didn't want to stay after all. Of course we are only 15 minutes away.
My sons and daughter in loves are the parents and what they say goes... Now do they get an extra cookie or treat, sure but grandma's is like vacation.
Lori,
I enjoyed this post because I have found watching all of this causes me to stress... Thus shut it off... No matter who wins HE is still on the throne and in control...
1 reply · active 472 weeks ago
I love this post. A very wise Christian woman once said to me that it is easy to be right in our argument but wrong in our spirit. That is so true! It is much more important to be right in our spirit; whether or not we are right or wrong in our argument isn't as important as having the right spirit - gentle and meek and loving.

I am guilty of debating - there is nothing I love better than a good argument/debate, and this is where social media becomes problematic - it is so easy to get into debates on pretty much anything, and for someone like me, who thrives on this, it is so difficult to resist. This post has given me a good reason to try harder to resist - it is God's will that I do so.
Thank you!
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Desiree Bradbury · 472 weeks ago

One thing I learned, No one will change my mind and I won't change their mind. I differ in a couple issues than most of my church, but I wouldn't dare to dream of debating with them on those differences. They are not salvation issues. And politically I am stubborn as all the liberals in my husbands family. They won't change their minds and I won't change mine. Debating rarely pays off...but it can destroy relationships. Sadly, though I am happy to overlook the differences in the family and move on, they have taken exception to my opinions and things are strained.
When it comes to sermons, I think it is wrong to debate. Particularly if you nit pick at this or that. It tells me you are not focusing on the whole message and potentially leading others into an argument. My husband and I will talk about a a sermon and I will ask for clarification on things. And I will only critique it if I hear something that I think is wrong and I will ask for my husbands opinion. But I don't pick a sermon apart just to debate it. That spoils the whole message. Debates can be great. But each side needs a to approach it with the right motives and attitude. And at least one side should be mature enough to know when it is getting out of hand and either stop it. Or bring it back under control. And not let it progress into an argument.

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